869
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
this post was submitted on 04 Aug 2023
869 points (93.0% liked)
politics
19097 readers
5501 users here now
Welcome to the discussion of US Politics!
Rules:
- Post only links to articles, Title must fairly describe link contents. If your title differs from the site’s, it should only be to add context or be more descriptive. Do not post entire articles in the body or in the comments.
Links must be to the original source, not an aggregator like Google Amp, MSN, or Yahoo.
Example:
- Articles must be relevant to politics. Links must be to quality and original content. Articles should be worth reading. Clickbait, stub articles, and rehosted or stolen content are not allowed. Check your source for Reliability and Bias here.
- Be civil, No violations of TOS. It’s OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It’s NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect! This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
- No memes, trolling, or low-effort comments. Reposts, misinformation, off-topic, trolling, or offensive. Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.
- Vote based on comment quality, not agreement. This community aims to foster discussion; please reward people for putting effort into articulating their viewpoint, even if you disagree with it.
- No hate speech, slurs, celebrating death, advocating violence, or abusive language. This will result in a ban. Usernames containing racist, or inappropriate slurs will be banned without warning
We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.
All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.
That's all the rules!
Civic Links
• Congressional Awards Program
• Library of Congress Legislative Resources
• U.S. House of Representatives
Partnered Communities:
• News
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
So what? It may be unsavory, but I don’t see how any of this is illegal. And I especially don’t see why they should be wasting taxpayer dollars on this huge circus of an investigation into something that’s not illegal. Hunter Biden is not an elected official, nor does he hold public office appointed, or otherwise. He’s a private citizen, and going after him is just a slimy way of attacking Joe Biden indirectly because the Republicans don’t have anything on him. 
If the only defense you have for the behavior is "well its not illegal!" then you're pretty much just admitting it's indefensible. It's just as corrupt when Joe Biden's kid does it as it is when Trump's spawn do. If he's so unaffiliated and detached from his father as a private, non-political citizen then why do you care if he gets put through the wringer for being an influence peddling little shit?
who said Hunter Biden needs a defense? he’s not accountable to you or to anyone.
he doesn’t hold nor is he running for public office. he’s a private citizen. HE'S ALLOWED TO BE A SCUMBAG. and if you don’t like that, too bad.
he doesn’t owe you or anyone else an explanation, a defense, or anything else.
Do you think it should be legal for people to go around using your father's political position to peddle your influence? Are you unwilling to entertain the idea that it's possible he did do something that actually is illegal while being an immoral scumbag? If not, then why not just shrug your shoulders and let them fight it out, instead of rushing to point out how totally legal it is to be a piece of shit.
It has nothing to do with my feelings or your paranoid rhetoric. It has to do with the facts of the matter, and whether you have any evidence at hand that warrants dragging him before congressional committee just because you don’t like who his dad is. Which you don’t.
You're right that I don't like Biden. I don't think it's paranoid to suggest that someone who was blatantly peddling influence may have possibly run afoul of one of the few toothless corruption laws we have. Personally, I'd like to see all dynastic influence peddling political children dragged before a congressional committee, especially Trump's, but I'm not gonna cry foul because the one that got bit by it is the one whose father falls closer (but still quite far from) my beliefs on some political spectrum. If he wanted to remain a private citizen free from political and public scrutiny, then he shouldn't have gone around selling access to his familial political connections.
But that’s exactly what you’re doing: crying foul, and you don’t have any evidence that he’s doing that. Once again, you’re using circular logic in order to justify dragging someone before a congressional hearings because you don’t like their father, and you have suspicions. Suspicions, not evidence. In this country, your hatred of his father, combined with your own paranoia are not nearly enough. 
You're making it sound like being called into a congressional hearing is some great injustice, though. It's not a court of law, what is and isn't illegal isn't super relevant here. His job in Ukraine for that gas company was pretty transparent influence peddling. He has no qualifications for it and by all accounts he didn't really do much of anything but collect a paycheck.
You're welcome to not believe that I guess, but I think that would make you pretty gullible. A lot of politicians' children do this. On both sides. I cannot bring myself to care about the only one to have to actually stand in congress and try to justify it.
being harassed on a congressional level IS a great injustice, especially if thy have no legal reason to do it.
wrong. people can be (and have been) tried and convicted in congress.
if there was any real evidence of that, or of it being illegal, then prove it in a court of law. But there isn’t, which is why people like you want to loudly insinuate it in a public circus in a congressional hearing. this brings us right back to the pint with you circular reasoning.
because there’s no evidence, just insinuations and innuendo from the far-right. And if YOU want to believe rumors and propaganda over evidence and proof, then I’m not the gullible one.
so what? if you can find evidence of illegality, indict them and take them to court. I don’t see you crying foul over Trump’s kids doing the same… double standard much? lmao
Once again, why would any private citizen who doesn’t hold pubic office have to justify anything to you, especially when there’s no evidence they broke the law— especially by being dragged in font of congress? you keep refusing to answer this question.
what would you like us to do about not-illegal behavior involving not-the-president? you're not the president, and presumably you've done things that are not illegal, so keep that in mind when you formulate your response.
When people engage in shit I find to be immoral I do not care a single bit when they face consequences for the immoral things they did. Legality is not part of my moral calculus. You're right that Im not the son of the president so I don't have to worry about this bullshit slippery slope you've conjured to deflect with.
Then, why do you hypocritically keep demanding that a private citizen be dragged before Congress for a complete circus sham of a hearing when there’s no evidence that he broke the law, other than the fact that you just don’t like him, of course….?
And why should Congress give a shit about your “moral calculus”?