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This is lemmy, the goal is always to shit on America.
Probably because it's one of the worst examples of many bad things. Source: am American. The only way you can avoid criticizing America as a thinking person is to focus on the ways it's a little better than other countries. For example we mostly have clean drinking water while other countries don't. But if you for a moment focus back on America itself it's hard not to find things that just damned well ought to be better. Never be sick in America. Our healthcare is a pathetic piece of shit!
I've got no problem with reasonable criticism of America. In fact I have many of my own. My issue is that here, shitting on America is well received regardless almost completely regardless of how reasonable it is.
Hmm, I don't see that. I can't remember the last time I saw an undeserved criticism of America. But I would agree with you if I did see that
Nayib Bukele, a pretty blatant authoritarian, just won an election in El Salvador. And have you been paying attention to the rise in right wing authoritarians winning in Europe?
The idea that this is isolated to the us makes no sense.
At what point did I or anyone say right wing authoritarianism is exclusive to the US? ....
Literally the top level post is complaining that any blatant authoritarian would be dead in the water in any other democracy.
Ok well I was responding to the person saying the US gets unfairly criticized all the time. That is all I remember. It's not always easy to see what was said 9 levels up in the thread even if I'm not distracted by other things in life...
I can see how one would not remember a thing ever happening if they can't even remember it happening in a comment they had to have read no more than a minute earlier.
When I tag people in certain ways, I often try to ignore that context and give them another chance at a normal human conversation. It is uncanny how often they randomly prove again that yes they are exactly in fact how I originally judged them. That other time was not a one off or a bad day they were having.
I could have been more kind, but you responded sarcastically when I pointed out that what I was talking about had just happened, basically trying to shift blame from yourself instead of just apologizing or admitting that I might have a point. You even kind of implied that because I remember the context, I don't have a life because your life distracts you from remembering what happens from post to post.
If this is how you typically treat people you're giving a second chance, it's no surprise that they respond in kind.
What a fucking victim. None of this is in touch with what I said or meant. There wasn't sarcasm, I implied nothing about you other than you might be a stickler to expect me to scroll up and click several buttons to confirm I'm on the same page every time someone responds to tell me I'm wrong.
Also I have plenty of positive interactions, sometimes even with people who previously weren't nice. It's just unfortunately memorable when people are such dicks.
Exactly, you're trying to shift the blame away from yourself; it's my fault for being a stickler, not yours for not even bothering to make sure your point was disproved already in the short thread we're in.
Look, I don't blame you for me responding in kind. That's my own doing and I know I should be better about it. But you're projecting the victim mentality: you're blaming me for pointing out that my point had been made. You're making this whole negative interaction my fault for being a dick.
The reason I'm having issues with you every time is on display in this response. For you it's obvious there has to be blame and it needs to be assigned. I never had thought that way up until you were rude. I was simply explaining why I didn't understand what you meant. In your mind that meant I was out to get you and blame you. Man, that is a sad way to live honestly
My man, you were the dick first, not me. Well, I guess I was a dick to the general treatment of America Lemmy, but when you challenged that I responded respectfully making my case.
After saying you would agree with me if you saw it happening, I pointed it out happening right here. Did you agree? No, you just shifted blame, implying it's wrong to expect you to remember what we were talking about from post to post, even admitting latter that you meant this made me a stickler.
Again, I reiterate my point: if this is you giving people a second chance, it's little surprise that they often live up to your expectations.
I admitted that you could indeed think that was implied. Not that I meant that. In any case I've failed to see a single charitable reading of anything I have said. Everything is clearly a blame game, because that is how you operate. You think because you admitted to being unkind that you're morally superior. I do not agree. This has been "fun"
About the clean drinking water, the first world countries all have it though
I realize that. I should've said that some countries don't have clean drinking water. For me it has been shocking when I've experienced that because I'm "spoiled" by safe water most places I've ever visited.
The thing is that for any single positive item many people thing of being exceptional for the US, the truth is that most other countries in the 1st world are on par or better. I mean I heard Americans wonder if Germans have access to running water, that was in 2023.
Pointing out flaws instead of blindly shouting "murka numbuh wun!" is not a bad thing...
100% agreed. But that's not what I'm talking about. People just mindlessly shit on America here all the time. Just because I recognize the unreasonable American hate does not mean I'm an unreasonable American supporter. Not every is simple and black and white how you would like it.
Is that how I would like it? I guess that is a thing I learned about myself today! Neat.
“I’m the normal one, everyone around me is crazy!!!!”
Well, first, judging what's right based on what's popular is dumb on it's own, but it's even more dumb here because the up vote/down vote is current equal for my post, making it clearly not "everyone."