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I don’t understand why you’re jumping through logical hoops to defend this imagined context.
You’re claiming that he is more likely to be saying “once legislation is passed, voting is no longer necessary” (which is literally never how this country’s version of democracy has ever worked or ever should) than he is to be saying “once I’m in power I will reduce/remove the efficacy of voting” (which is something he has clearly supported in the past and is pretty much the entire Republican goal)?
I'm literally doing the opposite of jumping through logical hoops.
I'm attempting to illustrate how so many others are jumping through logical hoops to make one group of words mean something entirely different.
Apparently I'm not doing a very good job.
Try to think about why you vote. Perhaps you enjoy or feel obligated to participate in the democratic process. Perhaps you don't vote unless there's something very important to vote about. Perhaps there's a historically significant reason to show up to the polls.
Trump mentions in the speech that Christians historically don't show up to the polls. He's trying to convince them that they should elect him to office to pass all the legislation they want over the course of his four year term. Once he has done everything they want government to do, they won't have to vote again.
That's the context of this statement.
So, if you want to argue about him claiming to be a dictator or not intending to leave office, that's a valid conversation that could be had in the context of other statements he has made. That is not valid in the context of this statement.
If you want to build a case to support the idea that he wants to be a supreme leader, perhaps you could use this statement and re-contextualize it in a clever way to support that case in accretion to other statements he has made.
But you’re just doubling down on the assertion that he expects people to believe that “once favorable legislation is passed, voting is no longer necessary” which is fundamentally illogical except in the case of a transient democratic event under authoritarian government.