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Can someone define "liberal" (in its use as an insult) for me?
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this post was submitted on 06 Aug 2024
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I think OP's question is about why parts of the Democratic coalition are hostile to other parts of the Democratic coalition, not about why Republicans are hostile to Democrats.
If a self-proclaimed "part of the Democratic coalition" is dismissing whatever arguments you make by weirdly comparing you to John Locke as a slur, chances are they are they are not, in fact, part of the Democratic coalition. The fact that they are borrowing their slurs from the conventional fascists should be telling enough.
They might even share employer.
I think that even the people who are just as bad as you say are also part of the Democratic coalition simply because both they and I will be voting for Kamala Harris in November, although they will be doing it while complaining a lot. I'll be complaining a little because I'm never going to support any candidate 100% but my ideal candidate would still be a centrist Democrat.
With that said, I'm not sure how long this coalition will hold together because I would rather vote for a centrist Republican than for a leftist. Right now the Republican party is the one dominated by its extremists but if they return towards the center (Trump won't live forever) and the Democrats shift left, a lot of liberals will be reconsidering their political alliances.
I have seen people argue that they will never vote for Harris, because she's just part of the same rotten establishment etc etc. Mostly from the same people who use liberal as a slur. They seem to be very loud around here.
I might be ignorant though. Have anyone established/respected in the circles around Sanders/the Squad used the term "liberal" in a similar sense? Or is it mostly by faceless folks online?
Those people were never voting for any democrat. Regardless of who was chosen.
The people I’ve seen who use “liberal” as an insult have also stated they will explicitly not vote against trump. They give ‘reasons’.
The fact that these ‘reasons’ parallel russian troll farm talking points exactly is merely a coincidence.
I think you should give them more credit than that. There are, for example, real leftists (not trolls) who are extremely hostile to liberals due to disagreements about Middle East policy but still intend to vote for Harris.
I would be happy to. If they’re voting for Harris, let ‘em in, I say.
Because something that gets lost in the two party system is that, at its core, there's the conservative side trying to make things best for their majority group and then there's a dozen different types of liberals trying to make the world better in their direction. One side wants to revert back, one "side" is pulling in a hundred different directions. Should we tackle education first? Financial responsibility? Human rights? Social safety nets? Pollution? Climate change? National interest? Global interest? There's so many different topics that liberals want to progress forward in an order each individual determines. It's not a single liberal force, it's a hundred forces in a trench coat. Conservatives (of any country or topic) are some kind of incumbent majority/dominating demographic while the alternatives all fall under "liberal". So the only thing that consistently unifies the democrats is what they don't like
Opposition to Trump is currently the strongest force uniting the Democrats, but I think there's more dividing the Democrats than just a disagreement about which issues to prioritize.
For example, someone who prioritizes abortion rights usually also supports protecting the environment and vice versa. Most abortion-rights people and environmentalists agree about what the ideal end state is (both goals accomplished). However, someone who supports affirmative action and someone who opposes affirmative action may currently vote for the same candidate but they're clearly opposed to each other in a way that the abortion-rights person and the environmentalists aren't. The distinction between liberals and leftists is useful for describing many disagreements of the second sort, and it's an important distinction because the dividing line between Democrats and Republicans won't always cut across the same issues it does now.