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[-] SirDerpy@lemmy.world 48 points 2 months ago

If I'm understanding correctly the argument against her competing hinges upon a genetic test that the article provides no information for.

The evidence that she's a woman seems overwhelming. But the article doesn't provide the necessary information for an reader to understand and defeat the objection. We're not to reason for ourselves. Instead, we're to rely on ad hominem: The objection itself doesn't matter because it came from Russia. The article also ignores fallacy fallacy: There's also a very small possibility that Russia has reached the "good" conclusion for entirely "bad" reasons.

I know three things:

  1. She's almost certainly a biological woman.
  2. She won.
  3. The author thinks you're stupid.
[-] ALoafOfBread@lemmy.ml 40 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Afaik the IOC did all the standard testing on her and didn't find any issues (no doping, normal testosterone levels, etc). Idk if they did a genetic sex test - I'd imagine that isn't standard. Is that correct? Regardless of the Russian-run boxing federation's intentions, I'd still trust the IOC's findings over theirs.

Plus, even if she was XXY or something, does that actually have any impact on athletic performance? I'd imagine not

Edi: yep. Looks like it is widely believed that having a y chromosome is unfair, but the science doesn't necessarily back that up.

"improved understanding about genetic factors that lead to selection in sport should offer reassurance that female athletes with hyperandrogenism do not possess any physical attribute relevant to athletic performance that is neither attainable, nor present in other women."

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40279-014-0249-8

[-] Angry_Autist@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

The fact that trans athletes aren't all at the top of their leagues is proof that a y chromosome isn't unfair.

The gradient caused by sexual dimorphism is smaller than the gradient caused by intense, advanced training in all but the most pure strength based competitions like powerlifting.

[-] slaacaa@lemmy.world 38 points 2 months ago

There is no info, because it was just Russian misinformation from a former boxing org. boss. She was disqualified after beating a Russian. There is nothing more to this story, just the “West” again show its weakness and vulnerability for Russian news manipulation.

[-] a_wild_mimic_appears@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

The austrian commentator (who was working for an austrian boxing committee before) on her semifinals fight said about that boxing org: "i've has seen quite a lot in my time, but they were the most corrupt org i ever saw" (he said "korrupter haufen", which is derogatory for a corrupt group of people)

[-] friendlymessage@feddit.org 23 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

The article is pretty well done and shows exactly why this discussion is moot. There's simply no merit to the accusation, plain and simple.

If an accusation comes from Russia and only from Russia, it's part of their misinformation warfare. That's not ad-hominem, that's paying some fucking attention.

[-] slaacaa@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

Exactly. So sick of reading about this non-news. There is nothing here, were just chewing on Russian propaganda and arguing with each other (as intended).

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