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[-] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 50 points 3 months ago

Here’s another perspective on this situation.

Personally, from what I’ve read, this stinks of a group of people trying to bully the developer out of Python using the rules as their weapons. It’s a cowardly tactic.

[-] refalo@programming.dev 11 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

It's ironic to me because from what I have seen in many technical online communities at least, places that have an established code of conduct seem to have an extremely difficult time dealing with opinions they happen to not like, which to me is the opposite of their own CoC terms such as tactful, respectful, safe and inclusive. Instead the opinions they don't like are weaponized using the other negative terms they list such as anti-social, unhelpful, trolling, controversial etc. Basically I guess it's all left up to interpretation by the mods as to how/if to handle those situations, which was already the case anyway.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

[-] Alphane_Moon@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I see where you are coming from, but to me it comes off as a little bit naive and reductionist.

That being said, I am thinking of this more globally, not necessarily solely in context of open source development (let alone this case in particular).

[-] FizzyOrange@programming.dev 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Why? I agree with him. CoCs are either a short redundant statement of implicit decent behaviour (do you really need to write down that people should be respectful?) or long lists of ambiguous rules that are used to pretend mod decisions are less arbitrary than they really are. Pointless in both cases.

If he had really done all these terrible things then would they really have not suspended him just because they didn't have a CoC?

I reckon you could put useful things in a CoC, like stuff about enforcement procedures, and in fact PSF does have that... but then they go and:

the Python community Code of Conduct team may take any action they deem appropriate

And the list of inappropriate behaviour is so extensive ("Excessive swearing"?) that they basically have unchecked power anyway.

I wouldn't be surprised if having an explicit CoC enforcement team is also likely to attract just the kind of people you don't really want.

[-] Alphane_Moon@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

I just find the notion that all CoC policies are useless in all cases to be a bit broad and almost parochial.

There can be cases in a multi-cultural collective where a CoC helps everyone get on the same page.

A CoC can also act as a "policy of last resort" where you generally have a more laissez-faire approach, but you can refer to the CoC policy if someone repeatedly doesn't get the message.

It all depends on the context of course, but staying that CoC policies are universally bad seems very simplistic.

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