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[-] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 4 points 3 months ago

Not that I can tell, what did you think of the article?

[-] da_gay_pussy_eatah@hexbear.net 33 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

It's interesting how you only draw comparisons with CPUSA. You claim that it has "the most potential to be the groundwork for a future party." I would contend, however, that the PSL is a current party that people can organize with today.

You're Marxist Leninists, yet you do not organize under the principles of democratic centralism. Why not? Do you intend to somehow transform the DSA into a democratic centralist organization? Do you really believe that the liberals, social democrats, and democratic socialists that comprise most of the DSA would just go along with that? You can't expect to just take the existing membership of the DSA and magically convert them into a committed Marxist Leninist cadre.

As it stands, the DSA are not principled anti-imperialists, as evidenced by their failure to take a principled stance in support of Palestinian resistance in the wake of Al-Aqsa Flood, or their anti-communist stances on Cuba and AES. This isn't a "past" issue, it's ongoing. How do you address that? Why is it the "correct" strategy to attempt entryism into the DSA instead of joining a real, existing Marxist Leninist party?

[-] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 6 points 3 months ago

May be a dumb question, but is PSL Trot?

[-] Babs@hexbear.net 16 points 3 months ago

Has Trot roots, but generally works as a regular Marxist-Leninist party now. Same with Workers World Party and a few others. They're cool now.

[-] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 4 points 3 months ago

Cool, was curious because of their roots. Thanks!

[-] Babs@hexbear.net 11 points 3 months ago

They support AES and anti-imperialist movements. Not "trots" in the same way those wreckers are.

[-] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 4 points 3 months ago

Wait, so is PSL somehow Trot then? I'm confused now. bocchi-cry

[-] da_gay_pussy_eatah@hexbear.net 14 points 3 months ago

The PSL split from a party that was, many decades ago, a Trot party. But the PSL itself has never been a Trot party (split memes notwithstanding), and that history is pretty irrelevant to what the party is today.

The PSL doesn't really bother to have "a line" on Trotsky or Stalin. Rather, it correctly eschews that "great person" framing of history and instead analyses the historical material conditions of the Soviet Union etc. It's certainly not "anti-Stalinist" like Trots always are; nobody is going to look at you strangely for speaking positively of Stalin.

[-] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 4 points 3 months ago

Cool, thank you!

[-] Babs@hexbear.net 9 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

No no, I'm saying that PSL doesn't do any of the shit we hate trots for. They're cool.

[-] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 4 points 3 months ago

Ah, okay, sorry! Haha Thanks!

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