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Seelen-UI: The Fully Customizable Desktop Environment for Windows 10/11 with a windows tiling manager included. (github.com)

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[-] krash@lemmy.ml 52 points 3 months ago

Some are forced to use windows due to workplace requirements or software only running on windows. I run linux everywhere I can, but don't always have the choice.

[-] hoshikarakitaridia@lemmy.world 34 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Yeah wtf

Try producing decent music on Linux: run into issues with DAWs and plugins.
try 3d anything more advanced on Linux: any fluid or gas simulation gets annoying real quick (real flow, Houdini, vray, octane)
try layouting / handout design on linux: yeah let's hate on Adobe (and I do think they deserve it) but let's also realize most of the industry runs on their tools and Linux makes it complicated

Either you sacrifice money and freedom, or you sacrifice time and sanity. And I'm sorry, if I wanna do multiple of those things there's no way around mac or windows. I wish it was different, but it isn't and we gotta be realistic here.

And yes I see y'all shouting that there's a way for all of those things through workarounds but: for every one of those that works for me, there just as many that don't work, than just as many that restrict me in different ways, just as many that require documentation that I have to pull out of my ass cause it's not online, and just as many that make me look for the toenail of a harpy and sauron's tears to work.

Linux is not a direct alternative to windows, but it's a lifestyle and a commitment and I'm not out here trying to make it my personality, I want software to work in less than a month of me deciding to install it.

I can see the down votes rolling in on this but I'm tired of ppl selling their lifestyle instead of their OS.

[-] Admetus@sopuli.xyz 8 points 3 months ago

You make a good case. In my more simple case, I need efficient and smart looking PowerPoints and no foss alternative can beat office 2016. And dozens of programs are windows only. I've tinkered with wine/play on Linux before and it just doesn't work out of the box for the majority of programs.

[-] hoshikarakitaridia@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Yes and people sell Linux to my like "either it works out of the box or it takes like 1google search" and that's polar opposite from my longer experience on Linux.

For work I had to set up an Ubuntu VM. Ubuntu is one of the most stable OS variants. But: it literally started throwing system application errors after 2h from a fresh install. We thought it was a one time thing or that we did something wrong so we tried again. The OS disk image was official and our VM Software was Virtual box. Both are supposed to be stable. And still, the OS started crying 2h in every time.

Or another time where I had to find scanner drivers and I lost it. 5h of searching and tinkering, I had to rewrite scripts I found which didn't work, had to add package manager repositories to my system, and try to look for 15y+ old forum posts which get very technical but also not really in depth. For a fucking scanner.

And then that time aI wanted to install some software (I think maybe Skype) from the official Ubuntu store. But it just wouldn't work. Everyone else apparently had no issues online. Everyone except for me. Tried to install it through downloading an archive and when that didn't work I installed it through the terminal apt-get. It still wouldn't work iirc.

Or that time I had an Ubuntu VM for like half a year and applications started to hang and the system started getting random issues.

Or that time Linux system just threw errors on every system upgrade (same happened to updates).

This is a reoccurring thing and this toxic Linux positivity will only make more people mad when things are not as promised and they realize they are fucked.

[-] Admetus@sopuli.xyz 5 points 3 months ago

My most recent example with EndeavorOS was trying out KDE which I thought looked really smart on the desktop. Then it started glitching. Arch tends to be bleeding edge so that makes sense. But it meant I had to make a new choice of distribution or DE.

But Debian based Ubuntu? On Virtualbox? That seems a bit off. Maybe LTS would provide the stability you need.

I guess because development is decentralised, that you end up with developers working on different packages and when they update one it has a ripple effect on other packages.

[-] amanda@aggregatet.org 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

The or part in that statement is really what kills you, as you sort of imply. You spend five hours almost getting your scanner to work, some times, unreliably.

That’s a worse outcome than the scanner refusing to work entirely in many cases.

[-] princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

try 3d anything

blender runs natively on linux...

do agree about music tho, it's still a huge area that needs work

edit: blender running on my legion go, under steam gamemode on bazzite (it's available on steam):

[-] hoshikarakitaridia@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago

Yes. I didn't list blender because blender is kind of a unique case. An open source tool that basically slowly became industry standard? That's a 1 in a million from what I've seen. But: as soon as you get professional, like I said, all the plugins and additional software will cause headaches, provided it works at all. The tools I listed there afaik do not have native support / are very unstable on Linux, although I haven't confirmed it.

But yeah I get your point, and it is quite the accomplishment to the blender devs that they made it this far, tho it is not the rule.

[-] amanda@aggregatet.org 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

It’s even worse than what you suggest.

Try finding:

a solid email client: Thunderbird can’t search all my email for even things that are in the subject line
a calendar application with support for CalDAV and Exchange
an office suite matching the Microsoft or even Apple offerings of 2004
reasonable cloud sync
a decent vector graphics tool a lá Affinity Designer, a cheap tool developed by a small indie company

These are regular requirements for office work that I’ve had trouble with.

Oh and I also routinely have trouble turning off my computer, it just freezes at a black screen. This is a stationary computer with nothing weird in it.