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J.D. Vance Blames 'Fake Polls' for Harris' Lead
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So what I'm not understanding, is what happens when they aren't elected and they remain unable to do basic math.
They seem to really putting all their eggs into the basket of "numbers are fake, do our bidding" but somehow fail to realize without the numbers they won't have support?
Like they really think they have enough weird dudes with too many guns to out gun and out fight the military that is currently under Biden's control?
Also, have they accounted for the fact that the number of armed crazies gets even smaller when the crazies realize they don't get paid for fighting?
That is debatable. Yes, Biden is the CiC. But assuming that the military--which skews conservative (and enlisted people skew very conservative)--is going to follow orders across the board if there's a genuine civil war is perhaps a bit naive. The US Civil war saw a number of generals and higher-level officers defect to the CAS, and I would expect that we'd see the same kind of thing now.
My point is, it needs to be an undeniable win for Dems, something so overwhelming that there can't be any reasonable questions.
The military is more liberal than you think. Yeah their area shit heads in every org and a 18 year old private is always going to be stupid and buy that charger and say stupid shit. But the NCO rank and file are not the same old guard from the 80s and the army is making changes to appeal to GenZ to help with recruitment. E.G base name changes and leave requests for family planning, etc. But also Vets that have been down range got to know groups liked the Kurds and are very pissed what Trump did to them.
While I would hope so, I've known more than a few vets. A few are fairly moderate to liberal, but a whole bunch are MAGAts. Maybe that's just because I do as many 2-gun competitions as I can, and the MAGAt vet-bros are self-selecting to be there because they didn't do enough run-and-gun when they were in the military, IDK.
yeah I can see that self selecting is to blame. Most of the Vets I know after I got out that are more liberal you can't even tell they are a Vet. It the people that make the military their core identity. Like the idiots that wear tactical gear and special forces t-shirts. Like the last thing I ever want to see is a plate carrier or ruck again lol. Those combat ball caps they sell at the VA are so cringe it's worse when they are under the age of 70 wearing them.
Ha, and I do it for fun. But I think that the plate + carrier loadout I wear in two gun is a lot lighter and less restrictive than the IOTV and full combat load. I also don't have people shooting at me or have to worry about frag, because 2-gun in fundamentally a game.
But even most of the vets I've known outside of that were generally more conservative than the general population. It could be the area I'm in; I'm in the deep south. But even when I was Illinois, the people that I knew were vets--and not the vet-bro stereotype--trended more conservative than not.
lol you do you I guess I'm just not high speed, lol Were they active duty or retired? Also I noticed that Guard skewed more conservative than AD but don't know why. Honestly i think that might be my dad was republican so I guess I am too but that would align the same with civilian population.
I just visited my ex-FiL at the VA hospital and he’s telling people that now that he’s sitting around watching TV, he realizeshr can no longer think of himself as Conservative because he’s liberal as hell relative to MAGAts