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Lemmy devs are considering making all votes public - have your say (github.com)

submitted 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) by rimu@piefed.social to c/fediverse@lemmy.world

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Probably better to post in the github issue rather than replying here.

https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/4967

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[-] shadowbert@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Redditors did that, rather than reddit I'd argue. Still the same result of becoming a far less useful heuristic though.

Not really sure how to "fix" a system like that, which depends on the masses to do something correctly. They... don't.

[-] SteveFromMySpace@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 3 months ago

If users are the problem and the platform encourages/enables them to behave like that, then the problem is the platform. Redditors act that way because the system incentivizes it.

[-] shadowbert@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

What alternatives to votes would you propose to handle this better? Because I have no doubt the same thing will happen here too...

It's just how people work, especially when things get heated. That said, perhaps that's a poor example as a heated discussion isn't necessary a helpful/constructive one...

[-] SteveFromMySpace@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I already said: upvotes only, remove downvotes, votes are public. If we don’t have downvotes public voting is not as important. But if we insist on keeping them, then yes it should be public

We also need people to be more accepting of stricter/heavier-handed moderation, which is a hard sell.

[-] rglullis@communick.news 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

We can fix that by having moderators that can establish clear guidelines and show enough authority and can be trusted by the community. And yes, if the guidelines include something like:

Downvotes are not for disagreement. It's fine to downvote if the argument is false or deliberately misleading, but if someone is making a good faith argument that you disagree with, either make a constructive response or simply let it go

Then the mods would be completely justified to call out users who are drive-by downvoting.

[-] AchtungDrempels@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

Or some self entitled 3rd party admin would do that just because they'd feel like people owed them explanations.

[-] rglullis@communick.news 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Hey, do I owe you anything for all the space I'm taking in your head or am I still living rent-free?

[-] AchtungDrempels@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

If you did it would not be rent free, or would it, einstein. But no worry, i don't think about you, just this topic and your enthusiasm for it triggered my reply :)

Have a downvote for going off topic and "personal".

[-] rglullis@communick.news 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

You are the one pontificating in my comment, and I am the one going personal. Seems like your reasoning is as good as your reading comprehension.

But hey, thanks for stopping by!

[-] shadowbert@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

But... we had those on reddit. I didn't see many actual examples of the "moderator gone power crazy" stereotype that is so often echoed there (especially by people who fully deserved the moderator action they received).

The issue wasn't that the rules were clear. The issue was that people refused to read them in the first place, and became hyper-defensive and obstinate whenever they were called out on it, even by moderators.