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Lemmy votes ARE public, should they be anonymous? (discuss.tchncs.de)

submitted 3 months ago by lalo@discuss.tchncs.de to c/fediverse@lemmy.world

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Currently, almost anyone in the Fediverse can see Lemmys votes. Lemmy admins can see votes, as well as mods. Only regular Lemmy users can't. Should the Lemmy devs create a way to make the votes anonymous?

There is a discussion going on right now considering "making the Lemmy votes public" but I think that premisse is just wrong. The votes are public already, they're just hidden from Lemmy users. Anyone from a kbin/mbin/fedia instance can check out the votes if they are so inclined.

The users right now may fall into a false sense of privacy when voting because the votes are hidden from Lemmy users. If you want to vote something and not show up on the vote list, please create another account to support that type of content and don't tell anyone.

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[-] Tudsamfa@lemmy.world 56 points 3 months ago

Always in favor of taking power from mods that they can abuse and simply do not need.

The 1 "You think you can come into MY instance, and downvote ME?" post I read was 1 too many.

[-] asymmetric@lemmy.ca 9 points 3 months ago

The infallible Admiral Patrick perma-banned me from UnpopularOpinion for downvoting his posts. What a great guy - and by great guy, I mean twat.

[-] Solemn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 3 months ago

I'm guessing we saw the same one, and that's literally the only instance I've completely blocked.

[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 1 points 3 months ago

Was it midwest.social by any chance?

[-] Solemn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 months ago

No, vegantheoryclub.org actually

[-] Zipitydew@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 months ago

That's funny because I saw some initial comments made which then started this discussion. And what you're suggesting was the intent. The issue as they (one of Lemmy's developers) said was essentially frustration that their echo chamber had been pierced.

[-] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 months ago

On Lemmy the concern isn't even mod abuse - it's just how much user telemetry is pushed around in plaintext which makes me uncomfortable. I'm sure there are already instances which do nothing but listen to AP traffic actively building activity and interest profiles on Lemmy users. Say what you will, but at least on reddit they have to buy that shit. And if such a rogue admin is even a little bit enterprising, there are a bunch of potential IP deanonymization attacks possible by serving up content targeted to specific users during specific times of day. And probably a bunch of other shady shit I haven't thought of.

Honestly it's more than a bit suspicious to me that AP and Lemmy has put seemingly zero effort into mitigating this sort of thing.

[-] OpenStars@discuss.online 2 points 3 months ago

The version code hasn't even hit 0.2 yet. Lemmy was founded by people who got banned from Reddit for being too toxic & extremist leftists, so went off to make their own replacement. They do what they like, and bc Rust is a difficult language to work with, not that many are willing to help.

Then after Huffman's debacle, we started to see Kbin, Mbin, Piefed, Sublinks, and perhaps more - but none even as advanced as Lemmy yet.

But more to the point, that's just the nature of an open network. Wouldn't Wikipedia suffer from the same issues? Though less of an issue than a social media framework I would wager.