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20 years ago, Pirate Bay's response to legal threats from DreamWorks (sh.itjust.works)

submitted 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) by alphacyberranger@sh.itjust.works to c/piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com

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[-] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca 232 points 3 months ago

no Swedish law is being violated

Unfortunately, Swedish courts disagreed

[-] Ilandar@aussie.zone 84 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Nice bravado but he ultimately wasted years of his life in solitary confinement.

EDIT: ~~Maybe not years. Certainly months.~~ Actually it was over a year when you add the reported stints together.

[-] INHALE_VEGETABLES@aussie.zone 23 points 3 months ago

Why was he in solitary?

[-] Ilandar@aussie.zone 32 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I believe it was because he failed to return to Sweden to serve his Pirate Bay sentence and instead remained in Cambodia where he was living at the time. There was an international warrant out for his arrest and when he was deported back to Sweden he was judged at risk of flight or further "criminal activities". He was removed from solitary after a few months, so I'm not sure if he was put back there for his later, longer sentence of hacking.

EDIT: He was later held in solitary confinement in Denmark for at least 10 months while awaiting trial for hacking.

[-] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 21 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Why would he need to be in solitary for being a flight risk? Sounds like you're mixing up regular prison and solitary confinement...

[-] Ilandar@aussie.zone 29 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

He was held in solitary confinement in both Sweden and Denmark. This was reported on at the time. I'm not sure why you're trying to second-guess me when you clearly have zero knowledge about the history of this guy.

[-] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 25 points 3 months ago

“He is kept under restrictions as decided by the prosecutor. TV in his cell. He can buy cigarettes and sweets from a kiosk that comes Monday and Wednesdays,” Kristina explains.

“He is offered one hour ‘outdoors’ each day in some kind of exercise yard with high concrete walls. That is all he is allowed to leave his cell for. No gym, no opportunities to meet other people except for the guards.

Ok so I think what most people think about when they talk about solitary confinement is the US version where you have a small cell with a toilet, sink and bed and that's it, you're behind a door with a small window and sometimes you don't even get an hour of exercise...

[-] Ilandar@aussie.zone 12 points 3 months ago

Ok so I think what most people think about when they talk about solitary confinement is the US version

"Okay so I think what most people think about when they talk about Sweden and Denmark is the US".

[-] Sauerkraut@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 3 months ago

"The European Court of Human Rights distinguishes between complete sensory isolation, total social isolation and relative social isolation[30] and notes that "complete sensory isolation, coupled with total social isolation can destroy the personality and constitutes a form of inhuman treatment which cannot be justified by the requirements of security or any other reason. " https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solitary_confinement

If the European courts find it important to distinguish between types of solidary confinement them I feel like posters should as well. Otherwise you can't blame people for defaulting to the most commonly used type of solidarity confinement.

And the US has far more prisoners than Europeans do and we use solidary confinement far more often.

[-] Ilandar@aussie.zone 7 points 3 months ago

You act like this is a universally confusing concept, when it's only Americans who seem to have difficulty understanding that different countries have different laws and definitions. In any case, it was reported as solitary confinement in both the EU and US at the time so I'm not really sure what you guys are crying about.

[-] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 months ago

I just meant that it's not as bad as it is in the USA and Canada

[-] cheddar@programming.dev 3 points 3 months ago

This is so satisfying to read lol. The USA-centrism is so annoying, especially prior their elections.

[-] Sauerkraut@discuss.tchncs.de -1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

That is sort of like complaining that people think of the US when they hear "school shooting": The US has something like 20% of the world's prison population and we likely use complete solidarity confinement more than any every other (developed) country combined together... So the term is rightfully US centric because, like school shootings, solidary confinement is far more of an issue in America.

[-] cheddar@programming.dev 6 points 3 months ago

Our brains don't think in terms of statistics, we are very bad at numbers. That's a scientific fact, see Daniel Kahneman's "Thinking, Fast and Slow". So to say that if 20% of the world prison population is located in the US then it's normal to think about the US when you hear "solidarity confinement" is plain wrong. There's no media bias like with school shootings either, you don't read about US prisons in European media every week. Even the mainstream US media don't talk about US prisons much. Somehow you fail to see that in the discussion about Danish and Swedish prisons one should probably consider Danish and Swedish prisons.

[-] Ilandar@aussie.zone 0 points 3 months ago

That is sort of like complaining that people think of the US when they hear “school shooting”:

No it's not, because in this case it was quite clearly solitary confinement in Sweden and Denmark. If you read that and thought "oh they mean US solitary confinement" then you are retarded.