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Airbnb's struggles go beyond people spending less. It's losing some travelers to hotels.
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I don't see the problem honestly.
Sometimes we stay in hotels, sometimes short stay rentals - it depends on whether we want a kitchen really.
I've never encountered a chore list - not one time. I'm sure they exist but they're not the norm here.
I've used AirBNB once and got a chore list. That alone was enough to turn me off to the experience, but there were several other issues including a carbon monoxide alarm that kept going off until we got them to replace it at 11 at night
Edit: luckily there wasn't an actual carbon monoxide issue
I got lectured for having bottled water in a mountain town notorious for having utterly undrinkable water. It was a total creepshow.
Did the listing explain that there was a chore list? If so, you could've chosen somewhere without one. If not, don't do it.
I don't really see the problem with the monoxide alarm. They did have an alarm, presumably for your safety. It obviously didn't go off all the time for all guests, because it would've already been fixed. Sometimes things happen in hotels too. This doesn't really seem like a "greedy short stay landlord" type issue.
They didnt say greedy landlord, they said they had a bad experience with their visit. I'm not sure why you are jumping to make excuses for an imaginary landlord in the first place. The only information you have to go on so far is negative and you have no reason not to trust it.
What does a greedy short stay landlord look like to you? Some would say charging a cleaning fee and also requiring the person to clean the place themselves would be double dipping or, dare I say, greed?
What about when there are no longer new families moving into your neighborhood because there just aren't enough houses to rent out these days and profits have to keep going up?
If a landlord is focused on profits above all else, they are greedy. If they hold the quality of their service for their tenants above all else, good chance they aren't motivated by greed.
A chore list is only part of the issue. The costs are rapidly inflating. Hotels are now far cheaper, even on a per room basis. With fees (including pricey cleaning fees and AirBNB/VRBO service fees that are on top of the percentage they take from hosts) rates will double or triple what they quote initially.
Then there are what they have done to neighborhoods. Property speculators have bought up housing and inflated prices for residents, all while damaging local hotels.
It was fine when it was people renting out a room or vacation homes at a reasonable price. I used to rent a tiny 3 season camp cabin in Maine on a lake for $750 a week. It was a guest cabin by an owner occupied 4 seasons home. It’s (and the main house) have since been bought by a wealthy private jet salesman that rents both spots, the cabin now going for over $1,600 a week with fees. They made zero changes down to the furniture, dishes, and towels. This year we are staying a a hotel rental that goes for under $1,000 for the week with no chores and regular maid service.
The price jump happened when people started buying properties exclusively to use as STRs. People with a second home or a guest suite they already owned for personal reasons could rent out for some extra spending money without having to turn a "profit" on it.
But when they started taking out loans and buying properties exclusively for renting, the costs of rentals had to exceed the cost of owning the property. And when profits matter, hotels can afford to be WAY more cost-competitive than houses because they can cram thousands of people into a single acre of land.
I don't really understand the pricing complaint.
Like most markets vendors are charging the best price they can get away with. If a given option like short stay isnt good value then find an maybe a hotel is a better fit, and that's fine. If your preference is for hotels for this reason then that doesn't mean short stay providers are evil, it just means that their product isn't the best fit for your needs.
For me, with weird dietary habits and a young family, having a full kitchen saves us a heap of money and a lot of drama. A week long holiday without a kitchen gets obscenely expensive in a hotel + restaurant format.
In Australia we just don't have that problem with hidden add on fees. Legislatively, the listed price must be the final price. As an aside, and I'm not offering this to entice you to use AirBnB, but I've heard that if you access Australian sites like airbnb.com.au you can see the full / final fee in your own currency.
I also don't really buy the harm to neighbourhoods thing, as a general proposition. Yes there are some suburbs where it makes sense for the city to prohibit houses or apartments being used for short stay accommodation. Generally though, I don't think it has much of an impact on the availability of housing for locals - it's certainly not the primary reason for the scarcity of accommodation.
I also used to think that, since I haven’t heard it being a problem near me. However a week or so ago, I saw a statistic that 20% of single family home purchases in the US are now by corporations. That’s not just short term rentals but a couple of large companies have gotten into real estate hedging and flipping in a big way.
So, yes, if that statistic is true, there are a huge number of neighborhoods transitioning from owner permanent residences to corporate owned and short term stay. I can see that corporate role increasing prices and definitely short term stay people will affect the neighborhood or aren’t as likely to care for the property
Corporate ownership is an entirely different problem.
I'm not sure about your country but here we have hotels that offer family style rooms with full kitchens in them. The ones ive stayed in weren't much more than a non-kitchen room either.
I think the assumption is youll cook for yourself in those types of hotels. Most of them have laundry on site too.
Here in the US, I expect a normal motel/hotel room to have a coffee machine, mini fridge and maybe a microwave, but that’s it. However some also include a kitchenette and I expect it at a “Suite” or longer stay hotel. And of course in many tourist spots you can rent a fully furnished house
Note: a “Suites” Hotel is not the same as some normal hotels offering a suite that’s usually 1.5 bedrooms
Yeah, I wish we had such a law in my US state. But we don’t. But if they want to play those games, I’m not playing along or trying the Australian site. But around here, we do have hotel options with kitchens.
The complaint is showing why the things in the article are happening. People are choosing hotels because they are priced out of short term rentals.
And it depends on where you are. A standard working city, sure. A common vacation destination, it is absolutely an issue.
That's pretty much everything I said, just more pouty.
Your reply “I’m happy to overpay for a kitchen” and “we don’t have that problem in Australia” wasn’t pouty?
Your strawman is pouty LOL.
The problem is that public companies MUST grow EVERY 3 months. Otherwise they are a failure, even if they are famous and everyone is already their customer.
You're correct, and honestly everyone would be better off if AirBnB just died and was replaced by a dozen other platforms. That's not really what people are complaining about in this thread though - most people are complaining about greedy property owners and chore lists et cetera.
Extended stays and many hotels have in-room kitchenettes which is more than enough for me, but to each their own.
I was pleasantly surprised to find a kitchenette in this hotel where I stayed in Hawaii.
Hotels with kitchenettes still seem to be rare in general whenever I look though. I hope it catches on.
I can even get by with just a mini fridge, especially if there are otherwise food options in the hotel/nearby.
If a kitchenette is all you need then great. My point is, the average hotel room is not comparable to the average short stay apartment.
In america: Nearly every Airbnb I've stayed in the last five years had chore lists. My wife still defaults the Airbnbs as Hotels often don't have kitchenettes.
Chores can be as small as ensuring trash is brought to a outdoor trash area and dirty dishes in the dishwasher. Nothing too insane. Nothing I wouldn't do for a hotel.
One involved me putting away everything I used. That made sense. They had board games, and lots of kitchen appliances. Again nothing I wouldn't have done by default.
The most outrageous one wanted us to wash the bedding we slept on, get new bedding from the closet and reset it for the next guests, as well as mop the floor. This one pisses me off and I complained to Airbnb because I was paying an extortion of a cleaning fee already. Airbnb refunded me that cleaning fee but I'm already furious at the greed of it all.