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[-] ChocoboRocket@lemmy.world 185 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

And with some damn wiggle room this time.

We had multiple Democrats Peel off and stymied loads of progress (Manchin, Sinema etc).

We need enough room for the wolves in sheep's clothing to not make a (D)ifference in the progress we need to shut down authoritarianism.

The supreme court being public enemy #1 means we need everything else to be operating seamlessly to be able to prevent every single goal for project 2025 line by line immediately and permanently.

Undoing regulatory capture will also be a monumental feat, as will reforming media's ability to platform lies and disinformation that are objectively false.

Huge fucking task list and we haven't even talked about running the actual country yet. We're gonna need one hell of a blue wave to drown the fascists and drain the swamp.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 54 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

We had multiple Democrats Peel off and stymied loads of progress (Manchin, Sinema etc).

This is a consistent problem with Dem "majority" coalitions dating back to the '77 Carter coalition that cracked up while trying to pass a universal health care plan and fossil fuel exit strategy. Clinton's '93 coalition also splintered due to conservative Democrat infighting. Lieberman famously killed a host of legislation in '09/'10 (although he was mostly a cat's paw for other conservatives in the House and Senate). And then Manchin/Sinema upended Biden's reforms in '17, before squandering the House majority the following year.

These failures aren't accidental. They are the direct result of Democrats saying "We need to vote candidates who are electable" and then getting a bunch of shitty corporate flaks who bought their way through the primaries.

We just watched Cori Bush and Jamal Bowman lose their House seats to AIPAC lobbyists, while Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlahib had to muscle through enormously expensive primaries funded by the same far-right donor groups that favor the Republican Party.

The supreme court being public enemy #1 means we need everything else to be operating seamlessly

The SCOTUS is a distraction, as they've got no real power to enforce their decisions. The real fight is between a liberal federal government and the assorted red state and municipal governments. We've seen this proven out with AGs like Ken Paxton and governors like DeSantis who routinely break laws in their quest to pump up the base with high profile acts of cruelty to their minority populations. They've discovered its easier to ask forgiveness than permission, and the Biden admin's response has been to just kinda shrug its way through rather than risk open confrontation.

This is the same shit guys like Pierce and Buchanan did shortly before the federal system collapsed under their feet. But if you're always trying to triangulate and get the opposition on board, its where your party and your country eventually end up when fascists at the lower levels of government realize they've got carte blanche and a partisan mandate to do evil.

[-] hydrospanner@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

The SCOTUS is a distraction, as they've got no real power to enforce their decisions.

This is something I've been thinking about more and more.

With our three branches of government, it's up to the executive to enforce the laws, and by extension, the rulings of the judiciary.

What's the failsafe mechanism for when the executive doesn't like a ruling and has no respect of law, or for the system?

What happens after the supreme court says, "Hey President! What you're doing is unconstitutional and you must stop immediately."...and the president just goes, "Actually I don't care what you say. I'm still doing it. Have a wonderful day and go fuck all nine of yourselves."

[-] Ragnarok314159@sopuli.xyz 6 points 2 months ago

This almost happened with Andrew Jackson. He is quoted as saying “now let’s see them enforce it” (or something like that, I don’t feel like looking it up) and he pretty much told the SCOTUS at the time they have no power. Congress has the purse, President has the sword, judiciary has nothing.

His cabinet ended up convincing him that the establishment of the USA depends on him following the orders of the court, and he ended up backing down.

[-] obviouspornalt@lemmynsfw.com 5 points 2 months ago

"John Marshall has made his decision; now let him enforce it!"

https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worcester_v._Georgia

[-] Triasha@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago

I have bad news about the Senate.

Reps are probably taking it unless Texas, Florida, or Montana comes through to glad Dems a 50/50 split.

Now if they can abolish the filibuster at least for adding states and also take the house, they could add DC and Puerto Rico and the next cycle would be friendlier.

[-] krashmo@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago

Last poll I saw had Tester up 6 points here in Montana.

Even if that's based on a small sample poll you need to be giving people hope that their vote matters. Save the doomerism, pessimism, realism, or whatever else you call what you're doing until after the election.

[-] Triasha@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago

Senate will be tight in any realistic scenario. Tester in Montana is the most likely of the three I listed to come through and I donated to his campaign.

I will be voting against Ted Cruz and I am volunteering on weekends to help Collin Allred.

If anyone reading this is wondering if it's worth it, I think it absolutely is worth it to donate what you can, and volunteer how you can.

Voting is the bare minimum. Please do so.

[-] dhork@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

How does volunteering help?

These campaigns are raising millions of dollars from all sorts of rich people. Why should you give them your labor for free?

[-] Triasha@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

Because paid operatives are expensive and knocking on doors is the most effective way to mobilize voters.

[-] Perfide@reddthat.com 5 points 2 months ago

Now if they can abolish the filibuster

lol

[-] Triasha@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

Not likely, but it helps the other side far more than it helps us. It should be removed.

[-] Perfide@reddthat.com 1 points 2 months ago

Should be doesn't mean they'll be able to. You need 60 votes to do so. We'll be lucky to hold the Senate, let alone pick up 11+ seats.

[-] dhork@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

No, that's the ironic thing. The Filibuster is a Senate rule, and it only takes ~~50 Senators~~ a simple majority to adopt a new rule.

Yup, you heard that right. The Filibuster can be erased with a majority vote to set a new rule. The party in power doesn't do that, though, because they are afraid of what the other side would do if they get the majority.

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