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I appreciate the point you're trying to make but if you look into it, our meat habit is far and away one of, if not the, biggest climate challenges we face. We cannot continue consuming meat at our current pace and curb global warming, it's that simple. And while my initial post is extremely judgemental, I really just wish people would start paying attention to how much meat they eat. Is it really necessary? Really? Every meal? Considering the resources meat requires to harvest, I don't think so, but, sure, harp on my clothes, bro/broette.
Here’s the thing: I think vegans (and vegetarians to a lesser degree) get a bad rap. I think people go out of their way to attack them for no reason other than vegans generally lead us to hold a mirror up to our consumption habits just by being around, even if they say nothing about it. The Only crime I’ll see vegans commit generally is existing, yet people endlessly mock the decision as if somehow it’s an attack on them personally even though it doesn’t impact what is on their plate in the slightest.
That being said: if you actually want to have a discussion about this, then your first comment one shouldn’t be coming in so hot and actually attacking people/finger pointing. Unless your goal is to look and feel superior and not actually convince people to change their lifestyle habits.
I don’t actually think what I asked you was completely fair. But the point is if you’re going to come at people like that then you’re basically begging for people to pick apart every consumption decision you make and then you’ve lost the thread entirely. I think you’ll have a hard time making progress when everyone perceives you as saying “my sacrifice is greater than your sacrifice“ if you got into an argument with, say, someone who is against the harvesting and use of oil and gas.
Why is a discussion necessary? The facts are there.
It's like global warming: at some point all you can do is be angry about it and keep pointing at reality.
Because a significant portion of the world doesn’t agree with you so you need buy-in.
Why is getting angry the only thing you can do? Sounds like a lack of imagination to me. How passionate are you about this if you’re already resigned to the idea that any attempt to persuade/convince is a waste of time?
Do you think angrily pointing it out to random groups is going to produce results?
It's not my problem that humans don't tend to care about facts. They're allowed to kill themselves.
You're assuming that I am desperate for people to listen to the truth. This is not so. If people prefer lies, that's fine.
Then why are you engaging in this discussion?
Just to pass the time.
So you’re just another troll trying to have their cake and eat it too who argues with people but then says “I don’t care“ the moment anyone pushes back. Got it. Thanks for quickly telling me to block you
What argument?
citation needed
I mean, sure. Try a search engine. It's not exactly lost knowledge of the Ancients.
my searches don't substantiate your claim. i am not responsible for supporting your claim: you are. if you cannot, there is no reason to believe it to be true.
Okay, well then I guess you are terrible at internet searches, I'm not sure what to tell you. Invest in an education, my friend. Good luck.
EDIT: Here's a video I seem to remember was a decent basic summary. I can't be bothered beyond that bc I'm frankly skeptical of your sincerity.
i still don't believe you, and no one should.
I edited in a link to a YouTube video in my last comment if you haven't seen it. Give that a watch I guess. Maybe it will answer your questions if you have the attention span to get through all twelve minutes or so.
But also do yourself a favor sometime, stop for a few moments and try to pin down why meat eating is such an important part of your identity and why you're so defensive about it. Like why do you care so much? Who taught you that?
Or don't. I'm not your dad.
if you can't even give a timestamp, I'm not clicking that video. maybe you did provide evidence, but it seems like you don't even know if you did.
I'm not defensive. I'm only interested in keeping the conversation honest, and you have made claims not supported by the facts
I'm a philosopher. all I care about is the truth
I sincerely think you don't have evidence for your position