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Starlink tells Brazil regulator it will not comply with X suspension
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That's not how that works? It's a missile. And they wouldn't be trying to shoot down the entire system. Just enforce the ban in their own country. Odds are Starlink folds pretty quickly when they start losing assets.
With what weapon system is Brazil going to pose a debilitating threat to a constellation of 6000 satellites?
"Shoot them down" is well outside the scope of Brazil's military capability.
Fighter jets and missiles. And before you go, oh no fighter jets don't go that high! Their missiles can go that high with a flying start. Everything after that is just targeting. This is 40 year old technology and it's available for sale.
And again. There are not 6000 satellites servicing Brazil, nor would they need to hit nearly that many before Starlink caved.
There is a serious lack of appreciation for the power and wealth countries command in this comment section. Brazil has an order of magnitude more wealth to use than Starlink.
I'm sorry. How do you expect a jet flying to get even close enough to a satellite to accelerate a missile to it?
Highest ever flow fixed wing "aircraft" is SpaceShipOne with rocket engines. Well above what a typical fighter jet might do: 112km height at 910m/s And a typical rocket will go what? Mach 2 or 3? So let's say Mach 4 at 112 km, which is 1096 m/s
A typical Starlink orbit is either around 340km height or more typical 550km at either 7726 m/s or 7613 m/s at the different heights.
That gives a minimum distance traveled of at least 228km and a speed gap of 6630 m/s or 23868 km/h that the missile still needs to close.
There are probably ways that Brazil could try and destroy satellites if they want to. But launching missiles from (rocket powered) jets definitely isn't one of them.
The actual launch process really is that simple. Here's a picture of an F-15 launching one.
The ASM-135A was fired once, and destroyed one test satellite. That satellite was the first and only satellite that mankind has destroyed with a missile.
How many of those missiles does Brazil have? How fast can they produce them?
The first operational batch of 60 Starlink satellites were launched 5 years ago. They now have well over 6000 aloft. Starlink has a demonstrated ability to produce and launch well over 100 satellites a month. They are launched in batches of 20 to 60, using any space available in any of SpaceX's launch platforms. After launch, they are deployed and scattered throughout the sky. Brazil would need 60 missiles to bring down just one launch worth of satellites.
They are planning a constellation of 12,000 satellites with 5-year lifespans. That's 200 satellites a month. Can Brazil produce ASM-135A missiles fast enough to actually put a dent in the Starlink constellation?
I'm sorry do you want them to fire it more often?
And no, a 2 second Google search would show you they successfully used an SM-3 from a Navy ship as well. It would also tell you that Russia, India, and China have done it too. At least one of which is willing to sell their missiles.
And as pointed out earlier, the answer is yes. A country can produce missiles fast enough.
Not even the US military has the capability of shooting down 200 satellites a month. You really have no idea what you are talking about.
Yup, the military with an operating budget ten times Starlink and an ability to put it's own satellites up could do nothing...
That makes total sense.
You are truly ridiculous.
You don't seem to understand that it costs more to shoot down a satellite than it costs to launch one. It costs a lot more... Like, A whole lot more.
10 times, eh? That's the budget you're willing to give your anti-satellite program? 10 times is not even "a lot" more, let alone "a whole lot".
Each Starlink satellite costs about $300,000 to build and launch. That allows you $30 million per missile.
The ASM-135 program had a per-unit cost of $380 million (2024 dollars).
A budget 10 times as large isn't going to cut it. You're going to need a budget 127 times as large just to keep up.
Brazil spent $22 billion on its military last year. That would buy them 57 missiles. But, let's assume they can get the cost down to just 10 times (they can't) and say it costs $30 million to down a satellite. Their entire military budget gets them 733 missiles per year.
Again, Starlink can launch 60 in one launch. They have demonstrated an ability to launch over 1200 per year over a 5-year period. They are currently licensed for a constellation that will require production and launch of 2400 per year to sustain, and their next phase will require 8000 satellites per year.
Not even the US military has the capability of shooting down satellites at anything close to these rates.
Which makes sense until you remember how the USG budgets procurement programs. The "unit cost" includes all the R&D divided by the number of widgets bought. The actual cost to build is generally far lower. But you just keep going, don't let reality stop you from licking those billionaire boots!
I forgot to also mention, countries have access to debt financing based on their GDP. Pissing off even a medium sized one is not a big brain move.