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[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago

There's no external program, it's just an extension on my browser, which uses APIs within the browser to instruct it which content to load and which not to load. I tell it to block all kinds of things, from malware to large media elements to ads. YouTube doesn't get to decide what content it displays in my browser, I do, because it's my computer.

Yes, I'm preventing channels from getting ad-revenue, but that doesn't make it piracy. What we call "piracy" is more correctly called "copyright infringement." I'm not violating anyone's copyright, the video is freely available to load and watch, I'm just choosing to not load and watch the optional extras that get shipped along with the video. I'm violating YouTube's TOS, but that doesn't mean I'm violating copyright in any way, and I don't even need to login to YouTube to do this either, so it's not like I formally agreed to anything here.

What the channels want isn't my concern. If they want to enforce payment, LTT can post the videos to floatplane exclusively, or join up with Nebula.

Getting free content without paying the content maker is… piracy.

That's absolutely not true. Piracy is copyright infringement, and I'm not infringing anyone's copyright here.

Here are examples of things that would be piracy/copyright infringement:

  • downloading the video and reposting it as my own
  • downloading the video and uploading it to another site
  • downloading the video and sending it to someone else

Each of those violates copyright because I'm sharing the video with people I am not authorized to share it with. Just watching the content and refusing to load the ads doesn't violate anyone's copyright, it just violates YouTube's TOS, which, AFAIK, isn't legally binding in any way. They can choose to block me from the platform, but not loading optional extras doesn't violate any copyright.

[-] communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

There’s no external program, it’s just an extension on my browser

That's... external software. But even if it wasn't, it's still circumventing the youtube terms of service with software.

You're breaking the terms of service of youtube by doing this... that makes it piracy...

[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works -3 points 1 month ago

No, breaking TOS doesn't make it piracy, those are two completely separate concepts.

[-] communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 4 points 1 month ago

The part where the content creator doesn't get paid and is supposed to according to the rules of the platform is the part where it's piracy.

[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 month ago

It's really not. Piracy is copyright violation, and an ad blocker doesn't violate copyright, it just violates the platform's TOS.

[-] red@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 month ago

Your definition of piracy is not correct

[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 month ago

How so? This is straight from the dictionary:

3
a: the unauthorized use of another's production, invention, or conception especially in infringement of a copyright
b: the illicit accessing of broadcast signals

  • unauthorized - I'm not hacking around any YouTube authentication, nor did I agree to any additional terms of service
  • infringement of copyright - again, I'm not sharing it, reposting it, etc; I'm just accessing it as normal
  • illicit - I'm not breaking any laws

So which part is incorrect?

[-] red@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 month ago

You continue defining yet more terms to avoid saying another. You do you, but that's not how the world works

[-] BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 month ago

Okay the dictionary is wrong, do you have a better dictionary?

[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 month ago

What am I avoiding? You said my definition of piracy was incorrect. So I provided a commonly used dictionary definition of piracy to show my point.

If you have another definition that is widely used, I'm happy to discuss it. But something isn't piracy just because someone isn't getting paid when they expect to be paid, it's only piracy if you actually meet the definition of piracy.

[-] red@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 month ago

You say you did, but you lie.

[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 month ago

Where's the lie? I provided the definition, and explained how what I said relates to it. If you disagree, point it out.

[-] red@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The part where your text wasn't from a cited agreed upon source, but your own ass. God damn give it a rest and take your ADHD meds ffs.

[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

You mentioned my definition, so I linked a commonly used dictionary definition. Here it is again in case you missed it:

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/piracy

I even copy/pasted the relevant part of the definition, ignoring the high seas definition. I don't know what more you expect. If you have an issue with the source I cited, cite your own. If you have an issue with my interpretation of that definition, articulate it.

[-] red@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 month ago

Are you daft? You chose one fourth of the definition, dismissing the parts that made you sound like a retard. Im sick and tired of having to engange with autistic pricks like yourself. Fucking take a hint.

[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Ok, here's the rest:

1: an act of robbery on the high seas
also : an act resembling such robbery

2: robbery on the high seas

3
a: the unauthorized use of another's production, invention, or conception especially in infringement of a copyright
b: the illicit accessing of broadcast signals

Definitions 1 & 2 absolutely do not apply here, so I initially only copied the third, because it's the only thing that could apply.

And here's the legal definition (I usually don't copy this because people tend to use the colloquial definition):

1: an act of robbery especially on the high seas
specifically : an illegal act of violence, detention, or plunder committed for private ends by crew or passengers of a private ship or aircraft against another ship or aircraft on the high seas or in a place outside the jurisdiction of any state see also air piracy

2
a: the unauthorized copying, distribution, or use of another's production (as a film) especially in infringement of a copyright software piracy
b: the unauthorized use, interception, or receipt of encoded communications (as satellite cable programming) especially to avoid paying fees for use
the statute's purpose is to proscribe the piracy of programming signals—
United States v. Harrell, 983 F.2d 36 (1993)

3: the crime of committing piracy

Again, 1 and 3 aren't relevant. 2a also doesn't apply because there's no copying or distribution.

So we're left with 2b. To decide whether it applies would require deciding whether TOS applies merely when accessing a website. I argue it doesn't, and it would require some form of pop-up or something that the user would agree to before using the service to apply. This is typically done when creating an account, but I use YouTube without an acocunt, and YouTube never prompts me to agree to any form of TOS. So the layperson's understanding here is that the content is fine to access over their app using the tools available in their app, and that any extensions in my browser should be fine since there's no reason to suspect that they wouldn't be (again, no TOS or measures on the website to prevent or discourage their use).

So the strongest argument is the legal definition 2b. There, that's the type of rebuttal I was expecting you to make, and I went ahead and did that for you, as well as providing my own rebuttal to that argument. I could cite a bunch of prior art as well (e.g. DVRs, which were totally legal when they were common), but I'm guessing you're not interested in having that discussion given your comments.

And no, I'm not autistic. I just prefer to have constructive discussions, and I'm not afraid of putting in some work to have them. It seems you are here for a different reason.

TL;DR - According to the common definition of piracy, blocking ads doesn't apply. According to the legal definition, blocking ads could apply, but that depends on whether the TOS applies and is legally enforceable.

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