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[-] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 104 points 1 month ago
[-] Plopp@lemmy.world 38 points 1 month ago

Curious downvotes on this one.

[-] damnedfurry@lemmy.world -5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Not really. Specifically saying "end femicide" is like fundraising for breast cancer treatment, but only for men, who are a small minority of those with breast cancer.

You are over three times less likely to be a victim of murder (in the US at least) if you are a woman, than a man.

There is zero reason to oppose murder of one sex any more or less than the other, and it takes the same amount of effort to voice opposition for both, as for only one. So going out of your way to advocate only for the half of the population that suffers this fate far less often, understandably comes off as sexist and callous, to the objective observer.

[-] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

How many in that statistic are men being killed by women? How many of those murders are the result of gang violence that’s predominantly committed against men by other men?

I assume you’re referring to this stat:

In 2022, the FBI reported that 14,441 men and 4,251 women were murdered in the United States.

… which equates to about 79% of all murders.

There’s a lot of nuance in that broad, sweeping statistic, but here are some statistics that are more clear:

In the same year, there were 15,094 male murder offenders and 2,107 female murder offenders.

… so the problem isn’t that more men are being murdered in general, but that an overwhelmingly larger number of men are murderers, and they target each other quite a bit. Gang violence stats are wrapped up in that 79%, and most gang violence is male-on-male.

Here’s another:

Among homicides in the United States, intimate partners kill almost 50% of female and 10% of male victims.

Many of these stats are situational, making that overly-broad figure misleading.

Also, the likelihood of being murdered increases quite a bit when a woman is pregnant:

In 2020, the homicide rate for pregnant or postpartum women was 5.23 per 100,000 live births, which is 35% higher than the rate for non-pregnant and non-postpartum women.

And that doesn’t include all the violent sexual crimes against women and girls, that are also committed at a far higher rate than against men and boys.

The overarching fact seems to be that men kill men a lot, and they also kill women an order of magnitude more often than women kill men, so maybe the problem here is men’s propensity for violence.

e: If that’s what you meant, I agree, we should be finding and implementing ways to reduce male toxicity in general, which includes many things like supporting mental health care and opposing norms (mostly within the online ‘manosphere’) that promote and foster toxic rather than healthy masculinity.

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