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"secretly"? lol, cmon
Anybody paying attention to how weird GOP media has been becoming for over a decade has been speculating in this direction. It's good that the DOJ has finally done something. And lol, tenet media has folded.
This story was in The New York Times. During 2016 election The New York Times published thousands of stories about Clinton email/Benghazi, not one on Trumps lifelong ties to NY/Russian mob. As if The New York Times wasn't in a particularly knowledgeable position to report on 70 years of NYC construction & mob history. All the money in my pocket says The Paper of Record has been taking Russian money for decades.
New York Times front page, three days before the 2016 election:
Investigating Donald Trump, F.B.I. Sees No Clear Link to Russia
FUCK YOU NEW YORK TIMES
shooting the messenger
They knew what the fuck they were doing. They're not innocent at all.
"Shoot the messenger" is hundreds of years ago. That isn't this at all.
Yup! Remember Romney saying that Russia was our geopolitical enemy and Obama being the one who called that ridiculous? Ever since then the Republicans have had an absurd love affair with Putin.
To be fair, there was an honest gambit there with Our Pal Russia, the same one that was tried with China. It didn't work but it seemed like a fair thing to try, especially considering the economic constraints of the alternative.
Oh yeah, at the time Obama was right to try to repair relations with Russia. They’ve simply grown worse as they figured out how to poke at the world via information warfare.
Putin wanted to join NATO. The US rejected Russia as an ally, while adding other former Soviet republics to NATO. Russia was slow to realize America wasn't merely content with the fall of Soviet communism, but also wanted cheap access to its natural resources. Russia has adjusted accordingly.
America would've won cold war 1 & 2 in one move by admitting Russia to NATO and pitting them against China, but it got greedy.
A good bit of shit in Chechnya already happened by that point, Russia showed itself as having not totally abandoned its old ways. Best case scenario Russia improves, worst case they do exactly what theyve done and fuck up NATO in the process. And given how Russia has been historically, well lets just say better to not take a stupid gamble.
Russia in NATO is a stretch, but okay, maybe.
Putin in NATO is absurd. I don't know how you can even suggest that should have been entertained.
"Secretly"
This is the dead giveaway that NYT does not give a SHIT about all the fucked up pro-Trump shit they've pulled. Not even a little.
This is why I have zero problems when conservatives want to shit on it. "Yeah!" I say. Even though yeah usually they have something good there. Liberal media - yeah right. Fuck.
I agree with you, but let's try to not treat massive organizations as a single being. I'm sure even there some people were not ok with how pervasive Russian talking points were there. But then again, maybe I'm being naive.
If it weren’t pervasive, ubiquitous, and predictable I’d agree with you. But it’s as close to systemic as we can measure.
Why they do it is debatable, but that they do it is not.
I’m so glad this was top comment.