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MAGA is straight up losing it after Taylor Swift’s Harris endorsement
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I disagree. I think this country has a problem with respecting bodily autonomy, and a large part of that is men trying to legislate women's bodies. Showing these men that they have a horse in the bodily autonomy race so to speak is a good thing. Maybe it's only a minimal effect, but it's a potential pathway out of harmful beliefs.
I've been on lemmy for about a year now. And this one off handed thread is the only place I've seen this topic discussed, in the entirety of this last year. I think you are vastly overstating the frequency to which this is discussed.
To the first point, I'd argue that men centering themselves in the discussion which largely centers around attempts to remove bodily autonomy from women only hurts, not helps the cause.
To the second point, it has come up a few times, but yes, the reason I said "leave this on reddit" was preemptive, before the problem migrates here from reddit where the topic is rampant is insanely zealous most often.
I think we'd have to take a poll from the general population and compare it with a poll from an anti-circumcision group and compare it to be sure.
Regardless, I said it was a pathway, not a guarantee.
My guy, please be for fucking real right now. There is a difference between an unfounded claim and an outlandish one. If I said "all of the smartest people on earth believe Poland borders Peru," we wouldn't need a study or poll to confirm I was full of shit, we could just reasonably deduce it. Likewise we don't need a survey to tell us that any man who genuinely tried to bring up circumcision as tantamount in the abortion conversation would be rightly laughed out of serious consideration.
Again, I acknowledge you aren't wrong and I will acknowledge both abortion and circumcision exist under the same very broad umbrella of bodily autonomy, but frankly the scale and scope of the two are so wildly and enormously different as to instantly render any attempts at comparison moot.
And honestly, I really think that you know this too. I truly believe that if you can divorce yourself from your personal investment in this topic, you will also see what an absurd comparison that is.
The point has sailed over your head. At no point did I say they were tantamount. I said they are relevant to each other, because they're both problems dealing with bodily autonomy.
I never said otherwise.