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[-] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 9 points 4 days ago

I would be more likely to sympathize with JSO if they engaged in direct action against the oil industry instead of the general public. Stopping ambulances and electric cars in traffic does not get the world to abandon oil.

If you're going to commit a criminal offense regardless, at least target something that actively supports or benefits from the oil industry. They could go full Robin Hood, robbing businesses that support the oil industry and anonymously donating the proceeds to environmental causes. They could threaten car dealerships that sell ICE vehicles. While it is certainly illegal to burn down a gas station, at least that would be an attack on the object of their protests rather than the general public.

Nothing wrong with their stated cause, but their actions don't support that cause.

[-] YungOnions@sh.itjust.works 28 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)
[-] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world -4 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)
[-] YungOnions@sh.itjust.works 9 points 4 days ago

Sure, it's not a great look I concur

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/oct/22/just-stop-oil-van-gogh-national-gallery-aileen-getty

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/apr/29/just-stop-oils-protests-funded-by-us-philanthropists

however we're talking about 2% of their overall funding in 2023:

https://time.com/6334072/just-stop-oil-climate-change-activist-group/

I'd argue that money from a climate fund that was cofounded by the daughter of a oil baron (who appears to be something of a environmental activist), whilst not ideal is a fair way removed from the idea that they are funded by the petrol companies as agent provocateurs.

Also, as I linked the evidence suggest they work, so if the likes of Esso are funding them it's not their greatest work. Who knows. I believe they get a bad wrap. If anything I imagine it's more likely the petrol companies are the ones pushing the negative narratives around groups like JSO to try and mute their effectiveness and turn the public against them.

[-] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world -2 points 3 days ago

The oil companies could fund individual agent provocateurs of JSO directly. Whoever decided to attack the general public is doing big oil a big favor.

[-] YungOnions@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 days ago

Maybe, maybe not. Without clear evidence it's all supposition. All we know is that, whilst people may not believe it, their actions are effective.

[-] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today -2 points 3 days ago

Their actions are effective at getting legislative action against protests and impeding travel. Their effects on stopping oil, however, have been somewhere between "completely ineffective" and "counterproductive".

The reason people have a hard time believing their actions are effective is because their actions are not at all effective.

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