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Ignoring the annoying way in which liberal has been re-christened into anything vaguely left-wing in U.S. parlance, this seems hardly surprising since the conservative side seems both anti-young, and anti-woman.
I don't want to ignore it. Calling yourself liberal on the environment and gun laws just makes me think you want more polluting industry and more guns.
I like it. I'm going to call myself an environmental conservative now.
Maybe even a conservationist.
Not triggering enough
Explain please.
Liberal, as in liberty, as in freedom from restriction. Being liberal on abortion means you're against more abortion laws. Being liberal on guns and the environment similarly means deregulation to me.
There is not just one language of political discourse at this point. It's almost impossible to be clear when you can't be sure in which context your reader is operating.
Here on Lemmy leftist means communist to some people, but liberal means corporatist Democrat to me.
Progressive or leftist is what I call myself depending on context. If I'm among a group that will immediately think I mean communist, then I stick with progressive.
The thing is, liberal means something rather specific to me - open, against regulations. If you're socially liberal, I'm probably on board. If your liberal regarding the financial market, we'll probably disagree.
I suppose someone who is extremely liberal in all regards following this definition would be what most people in the U.S. would call a libertarian.
In the end, shouting at clouds about me thinking that people are using words wrong won't do much, and generally I'm very open to language evolving, but this one always gets me because it's one region specifically using it differently than what I learned.
Even if you and I disagree slightly on the meaning (I suspect my definition is more colloquial than yours) - I definitely agree with you that it's applied slapdash against far too broad a segment of society.
Exactly, liberal means both German center-right CDU and the US Dem mainstream. They are on the same ideology.