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I think this gives a little more nuanced perspective than simply "pro-choice" or "pro-life". This is my tier list. What is yours? If it's different, why? If it's the same, why?

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[-] Itsamelemmy@lemmy.zip 11 points 5 days ago

Considering S and A are pure fantasy, that leaves safe legal abortions or unsafe illegal ones. Even if you created a pill that would make you 100% infertal for life with an anti pill that reversed it when you wanted kids and forced it on everyone at puberty you'd still have people that want to have the child but can't due to complications and be back at safe legal or fuck off and die illegal.

[-] p3n@lemmy.world -4 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

So basically you are saying that abortions are a fact of life...

Glad to know that a country where women don't have unwanted pregnancies is a pure fantasy, so it isn't an objective that anyone should work towards.

  • Let's not try to reduce the maternal mortality rate so that women don't have to make the horrible choice between living and having an abortion

  • Let's not have safe, effective, and available contraception so that women don't get pregnant on accident

  • Let's not try to eliminate rape so that women aren't forcibly impregnated

No, a country with legal abortions that are unwanted isn't achievable so we shouldn't try to work towards it. Just like we will never eliminate gun violence, so why bother even trying to work towards it...

[-] accideath@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago

The point isn’t that we shouldn’t strive to improve those points but that it’s utopic. Accidents happen. Ectopic pregnancies, etc. can’t be solved by medication. And even if everybody who doesn’t want kids was on birth control, they don’t work 100% of the time. Also, humans are stupid so someone will forget or skip birth control for the thrill of it. And as much as I‘d like for rape not to be something that happens, humans are also assholes and while you might be able to reduce that, you can’t eliminate that entirely without mind controlling everybody.

Solving this, if it’s not completely impossible, might as well be.

That isn’t to say that we shouldn’t work on this. There’s always room to improve and ideally no one who wants to have a baby should have to lose it and no one who doesn’t want a child should need abortion to avoid having one. However, there should always be the possibility because there will always be some cases, even if they’re extremely rare. Life’s messy and humans are unpredictable.

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