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“Jill Stein is a useful idiot for Russia. After parroting Kremlin talking points and being propped up by bad actors in 2016 she’s at it again,” DNC spokesman Matt Corridoni said in a statement to The Bulwark. “Jill Stein won’t become president, but her spoiler candidacy—that both the GOP and Putin have previously shown interest in—can help decide who wins. A vote for Stein is a vote for Trump.”

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[-] Marleyinoc@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago

I doubt anyone dumb enough to vote for Stein are Harris voters anyway. So now than likely a vote for Stein will be one taken for Trump. So Trump and Putin can waste all the money they want on her campaign.

[-] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 26 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

They're probably trying to scoop up the Republican voters that are disillusioned with Trump and prevent them from going to Harris. It's actually a decent strategy in that light.

[-] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 10 points 1 day ago

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[-] Veneroso@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

You know, positioning the DNC "against" her might draw some of the people who won't vote for Harris but really don't want to vote for Trump away from voting GOP....

[-] jj4211@lemmy.world -3 points 1 day ago

You don't have to be "smart" to vote for a good candidate.

Stein is the nominally "more liberal than the Democrats are willing to be" candidate. So most likely if they were forced to vote and could only vote for Trump or Harris, then I'd wager they'd mostly go Harris.

A relative weakness is that on the left there are currently more people ready to discard strategic thinking and stand on what they consider their absolute principles. The right is currently a bit more unified, as they are more willing to yield on their differences to vote closest to their overall goal with a decent chance to win.

Or the left is fairly unified in practice but Internet manipulations present the illusion otherwise, I have no idea

[-] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works -3 points 17 hours ago

Or you could just reserve your opinion for who you are going to vote for, and respect the fact everyone is free to come to their own conclusion.

I'm voting for Harris, but it wouldnt offend me If someone said they were voting third party. The same as I wouldnt expect it to offend them I'm voting for Harris.

Y'all need to get off this good and evil Netflix drama.

[-] jj4211@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

What they ultimately do with their vote is their business, but I'm just responding to the premise that would-be Stein voters would not vote for Harris anyway, because they are "too dumb" to vote for Harris, which is incorrect.

As to discussing the strategic situation, I think that is important to reiterate the consequence of their vote. Stein will not win, it's very obvious, so a vote thrown that way is merely a message to try to break the self fulfilling prophecy of third parties being hopeless. If you truly feel either candidate is roughly equal, this is a fine and strategic move. I could understand that perspective in most presidential races I have seen. Given the happenings associated with Trump's first term, I personally can not understand that perspective, but ultimately it is their business.

To be quiet on this would be to let what seems to be forces looking to weaken the Harris prospect prevail in swaying people to vote for Stein, despite those forces not actually wanting Stein, but just wanting a spoiler candidate to take some votes the way they want.

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