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[-] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 17 points 1 month ago

fuck the policies on the right, but also fuck some of the policies on the left. That’s why I can’t endorse.

That's a lame take. Unless you personally are running, you're not going to agree with everything a candidate says.

So people should just vote and stfu about any nuance within a party they disagree with?

Maybe I'm just not picking up what you're putting down, but that's how your comment scans to me.

[-] DancingBear@midwest.social 8 points 1 month ago

Genocide to the left of me, genocide to the right….. here I am stuck in the middle with you….

[-] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

She's not really pointing out any nuance though, she's just vaguely saying "both sides suck, but this one sucks slightly less". At that point, why even bother with a public announcement at all? Plenty of celebrities don't endorse anyone and no one care because they're not out making press releases about it.

[-] BassTurd@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago

I can say that there are views that Harris has that I think suck, and at the same time say that I think Trump's views suck, but Harris is better. It's okay to be critical and still live in the reality of living in a FPtP system. Why make a public opinion? Just look at what her comments have brought. People are talking about her criticism of Harris, while also seeing that even though Harris doesn't exactly align with her views, she's still a clear better choice than that shit bag Trump. Intentional or not, her comments have gone viral and spread her views which will undoubtedly have an effect on some of her fans.

[-] lone_faerie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 1 month ago

Did you not watch the video? She explicitly mentions transphobia and genocide. And she made that video because a quote of hers was taken out of context (much like you're doing) and people were saying her not endorsing Kamala meant she supports Trump.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

So people should just vote and stfu about any nuance within a party they disagree with?

Of course not. That's helping Trump win. You have to overwhelmingly support everything the party does at all times, especially the stuff you disagree with.

[-] EatATaco@lemm.ee -2 points 1 month ago

I've literally never heard anything even remotely close to this. Can you point me to someone who has said something that would make this an even remotely fair assessment?

[-] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 month ago

Two comments up I quote a comment that is, and not just remotely, calling out criticism of policy of the US left.

PS It has just occurred to me that you're being sarcastic. Please disregard lol

[-] EatATaco@lemm.ee -1 points 1 month ago

That’s a lame take. Unless you personally are running, you’re not going to agree with everything a candidate says.

That seems to be almost the exact opposite of saying you have to agree with all of the policies of the left.

[-] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

So people should just vote and stfu about any nuance within a party they disagree with?

Know your audience.

I live in San Francisco. We're not voting for Trump. I feel perfectly fine discussing the merits and drawbacks of different Dem candidates with people around me.

When you're up against a legitimate fascist threat? Close. Fucking. Ranks. There's no place for infighting when the margins are this close.

[-] Empricorn@feddit.nl 0 points 1 month ago

Until we get voting reform, the US presidential Election is a binary choice, one or the other. An endorsement is just that: supporting one candidate over the other (and obviously their policies come along with them).

Doing it this way comes across as lukewarm support and isn't as helpful in getting people to vote for that candidate. Kamala Harris is an empathetic, intelligent person capable of introspection. Get her elected, then we can pressure her to reconsider certain policy positions...

[-] meowMix2525@lemm.ee -2 points 1 month ago

If she's already elected then what reason does she have to listen to you?

[-] Empricorn@feddit.nl 0 points 1 month ago

Because... she's an empathetic, intelligent, introspective individual, who listens to experts, her advisors, and citizens. Not everyone needs to be manipulated to do the right thing...

[-] meowMix2525@lemm.ee -2 points 1 month ago

You are living in pure fantasy.

[-] Empricorn@feddit.nl 0 points 1 month ago

Nope. Just actually paying attention! I invite you to consume a wide variety of news sources...

[-] meowMix2525@lemm.ee 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I invite you to do the same and to be skeptical of lofty claims that aren't evident in the behavior and stated policy of the politicians that you support. If they are going to do something that motivates you as a voter then they will run on it, not just sell you "good faith" and let you fill in the blanks with whatever ideal picture that paints for you.

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