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Trump suggests giving Vladimir Putin whatever he wants (newrepublic.com)

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Donald Trump continues to suck up to the Russian president.

If Ukraine were to suddenly surrender to Russia, everything would be “much better,” at least according to Donald Trump.

During an afternoon press conference Wednesday, the Republican presidential nominee urged the Eastern European nation to submit to the foreign power, claiming that any deal, no matter how dismal for Ukraine’s freedom, would have been better than the current state of affairs.

“Ukraine is gone. It’s not Ukraine anymore. You can never replace those cities and towns, and you can never replace the dead people, so many dead people,” Trump said. “Any deal, even the worst deal, would have been better than what we have right now.

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[-] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I, someone who has no experience with military tactics whatsoever, personally, have no alternative and that means there must be no alternative.

I appreciate how much credit you're giving me here... but no. Don't be obtuse.

I know you're smarter than that.

[+] Objection@lemmy.ml -13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

What I said is that you have no alternative, which you just agreed with.

So that returns to my question - if you're not aware of any alternative, you have zero solutions to what could've been done differently, even with the benefit of hindsight, then what, exactly, has led you to make this criticism? Because the news told you to, the same news that told all sorts of lies to justify the wars?

[-] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Jesus Christ do I need to do everything for you?

I'm not an expert, so I don't need to provide an alternative, nor would I ever be expected to.

So instead of just making some shit up and then choosing to believe it, I'd rather take a look at what people who are actually experts might say about whether or not we could have done better...

https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/30/politics/state-deparment-afghanistan-withdrawal-report/index.html

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/top-us-generals-testifying-congress-chaos-withdrawal-afghanistan/story?id=108281065

https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2024/03/19/congress/pushing-back-afghan-withdrawal-milley-biden-mckenzie-00147797

Oh hey look, even our own government agrees with me that we could have done better. They made a whole report about it: https://www.state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/State-AAR-AFG.pdf

This was Donald Trump's "plan," carried out by the Biden Administration (who were put in a shitty position that required them to adhere to the existing "plan"). Biden administration isn't blameless, but this is absolutely on Trump.

It's honestly pretty fucking weird that you are so adamant about this specific thing. I'm kind of curious as to why?

[+] Objection@lemmy.ml -14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Why? You wanna know why? Because from the earliest age that I was aware of politics existing, we were sending people overseas to commit mass murder for no fucking reason! Why? Because I was calling for it to stop since I was thirteen and there was never any indication that it ever would! It legitimately could have continued for another 20 years as the corpses piled up higher and higher while having no meaningful voice to oppose it! My own damn brother came back so fucked up from the experience that he made my family's life a living hell and eventually went out to try to kill some innocent person! And we got off so unbelievably lucky, do you have any idea, and shred of understanding of what the people of those countries went through, for absolutely nothing? How dare you ask me why. You have a fucking responsibility to understand the horrors that you're supporting if you want to criticize the withdrawal.

But thank you for answering my question, you are indeed, blindly trusting what the "experts" in the media and government tell you to think, even when those exact same "experts" lied to the public and faced zero consequences, completely failed to show the perspective of the victims, and never experienced any personal cost from it.

It's absolutely bizarre to me that y'all refuse to give your own guy credit for ending the war. Trump "made a plan" but left it for the next guy to carry out so that he'd have to take the flak from the media when they inevitably attacked whoever ended the war. If he'd won reelection, he very well could've torn up that deal and left it to the next guy again, prolonging the war. Biden could've done the same, but he accepted the responsibility and took the flak, and there is absolutely no reason I can see for y'all to accept the media's framing of that as a bad thing, except that you just love war so much you won't take credit for ending it even when it would benefit you.

[-] ripcord@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

Ah, by the end I realized that this is really about team sports for you. And that's why you keep ignoring most of what he's saying.

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