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[-] muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee 24 points 1 month ago

Is anyone brave enough to ask why?

[-] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 108 points 1 month ago

Women are rightfully concerned about the loss of bodily autonomy. They don't want to live in the handmaids tale.

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[-] dessalines@lemmy.ml 83 points 1 month ago

This is probably more of a symptom than a cause, but social media platforms pushing manosphere content isn't helping.

[-] metaStatic@kbin.earth 45 points 1 month ago

I wasn't paying attention for like 2 seconds and it went from "Men also have rights" to "Andrew Tate is a role model", like WTF internet, stop ruining good things, fuck.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago

Unfortunately, "Men's Rights" was a bait and switch. The Alpha/Sigma ideology says there can only ever be a handful of "True Men" worthy of human rights. Everyone else has to either prove themselves through combat or submit to being less than human.

[-] RupeThereItIs@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago

Unfortunately it's not a bait and switch, there real issues in how we're failing boys and men are surely contributing to this concerning trend.

Especially when we blame the victims.

These "True Men" ass holes are simply swooping in to prey on the young men who've been left behind, like any cult leader would.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

real issues in how we’re failing boys and men

Only the poor ones. You know, the "betas".

These “True Men” ass holes are simply swooping in to prey on the young men who’ve been left behind

They're driving the disparity. Artificially constricting the demand for labor in order to drive down wages. Privatizing public services to squeeze working people for their last dime. Bombarding audiences with FUD in order to get them to blame every conceivable external agent - illegal migrants, evil foreign governments, spies, terrorists, literal fucking space aliens - so that the public is in a constant state of anxiety and exhaustion. Busting unions. Busting street protests. Busting college campuses. Corrupting the foundations of the political system to shield themselves from accountability for their shady actions. Then dumping vast fortunes into policing and the military in order to unleash wave upon wave of violence on working class communities.

At the forefront of all of these moves are "Alpha" men. People who believe themselves entitled to enormous wealth and social privilege, extracting at the expense of the rest of us. Its only after we've been ravaged that we see the lackeys and sycophants of these self-entitled paymasters step back in to recruit for the next generation of gladiatorial fighters, street cops, and foreign mercenaries.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 month ago

Alpha/Sigma ideology

I remember when that was just a category of porn writing 😞

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[-] muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee 20 points 1 month ago

I recon its both, looks like the symptom makes the cause more potent makes the symptoms worse.

[-] independantiste@sh.itjust.works 41 points 1 month ago

Andrew Tate blaming normal life issues on women and pushing teenagers to be very hateful against them is one big reason

[-] muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee 7 points 1 month ago

If the issues young men had wherent real he wouldnt have the followers. We do account for 75% of suicides so Tate's diagnosis is correct just his treatment is wrong.

[-] Sidyctism2@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 1 month ago

75% of suicide deaths. the number of attempts is about the same

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[-] can@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 month ago

He preys on vulnerable young men, yes, that's the point. There are healthier male role models online but I'm not sure youtube shares them widely.

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[-] galoisghost@aussie.zone 30 points 1 month ago

It’s “The Woke”. Women are more visible in society as they are treated more equally, so certain (yes not all men) men see that as men losing rights and want to go back to “the good old days”

If you created a similar graph mapping the ideology gap between races or straight and LGBTQIA+ they’d look very similar.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 23 points 1 month ago

Rapid increases in the productive forces of South Korea has resulted in a progressive population of women and a hyper-reactionary population of men, the increase in productive forces was so rapid it caused a hyper-sharpening of contradictions with tradition.

[-] bountygiver@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 month ago

to the privileged, equality is oppression. And therefore more pushback to maintain the status quo

[-] stupidcasey@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

The answer is simple the media is radicalizing people and gender is one of their primary motivations it is hand tailored to divide and conquer minds.

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[-] Tinidril@midwest.social 9 points 1 month ago

Fascism is sociologically rooted in the sexual insecurity of men. That's why it's always men driving it.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 32 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Fascism is Capitalism in decline. Masculinity is a recognized part of fascism, but fascism is rooted in Capitalist decay, not in moral failures of men.

[-] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 month ago

Fascism is capitalism when the capitalist class gets too successful, as soon as the capitalists realize they can establish fascism they always do.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 month ago

Not quite. Fascism occurs when disparity rises, the petite bourgeoisie are being proletarianized, and collaborates with the bourgeoisie against rising class awareness and leftism among the Proletariat and Lumpenproletariat. It isn't a symptom of success, but a defense mechanism.

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[-] Tinidril@midwest.social 5 points 1 month ago

Women live in the same declining capitalistic society as men, yet they are far more resistant to fascism. That's not to say there is something wrong with men or masculinity. Society puts different pressures on men and women so they react differently.

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[-] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

Do you have a reason to think this or did it just sound good in your head

[-] Tinidril@midwest.social 9 points 1 month ago

There is a ton of academic interest in the relationship between sexuality and fascism. It was first noted in "The Mass Psychology of Fascism" by Wilhelm Reich after WW2. My comment is, of course, a massive oversimplification of a complex social dynamic.

It's the same dynamic that made US racists paranoid that black men wanted to rape white women when, in fact, their deeper fear was that white women wanted to have sex with black men. Fascists are particularly sensitive to sexual relations between "their women" and whomever they have chosen to blame for all their misfortunes.

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