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Ideology gap increase between young men and women in various countries. (lemmy.ml)

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[-] sebsch@discuss.tchncs.de 130 points 2 years ago

The opposite to conservative is progressive, not liberal

[-] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 50 points 2 years ago

Especially in Europe where liberal is more typically used for economically liberal.

[-] CitizenKong@lemmy.world 22 points 2 years ago

Which tend to be conservative socially.

[-] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 21 points 2 years ago

Yes. Liberal is the opposite of "moralist" and sometimes "oppressive".

The US use of the word "liberal" is a bit shifted in the direction of "libertine" (same as libertarian, but strongly focused on personal freedoms of substance abuse and sexual promiscuity at the expense of economical\political freedoms to own catgirl slaves and shoot up crowds).

[+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml -31 points 2 years ago

The opposite is Socialism, not progressivism.

[+] Dkarma@lemmy.world -6 points 2 years ago

Wrong

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 years ago

In what way? Conservativism is a branch of Liberalism, just like Progressivism. They are all under the Capitalist umbrella of Liberalism. The opposite, therefore, is Socialism.

[-] Peruvian_Skies@sh.itjust.works -3 points 2 years ago

Congratulations, you have successfully redefined imprtant words in a way that makes your understanding of them fundamentally incomoatible with other people's, rendering clear communication impossible.

I don't know why this was your goal, but I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt and assuming it was intentional, because the only alternative is that you are less intelligent than a particularly dense house plant.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 years ago

Never redefined any of it. Liberalism is the ideology supporting Capitalism, Progressivism is the left side of liberalism and conservativism is the right side. Progressives still support Capitalism, same with conservatives.

[-] CrypticCoffee@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago

I mean it isn't. Progressivism only seems to exist as a word in America, because the USA has the red scares, and conflates communism and socialism, and so are scared of the phrase and had to reinvent their own.

In Europe, you have Conservatives (right wing market, socially conservative), Liberals (free market, but with positivity towards social reforms). Socialism or Democratic Socialism (positive social reforms, state involvement, but with democracy). Communism (economic distribution but more autocratic), and Social Democratic (somewhere between Liberal and Democratic Socialist). Socialism is where you're willing to consider the state getting involved in wealth redistribution.

It's better you understand political philosophy and how it is used and applies around the world to truly understand it. You cannot understand the spectrum, if you cannot zoom out from the Overton window.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago

That's not what Socialism and Communism are, though. Democratic Socialism itself is a nebulous and meaningless term.

[-] Shark_Ra_Thanos@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Listen, I too can write several paragraphs painting the consequences of redefining the relevant key words in hand. I will be careful to avoid providing substance of the topic in hand while attempting to make you feel guilty and of poor character.

Do not misunderstand anything I say because I will try to make sure you think that your work actually harms people because your education and intelligence are insufficient and even subversive. If you do not, you will see that everyone else will be buying a nice lollipop for the event and add to the consequential sugar.

This explains why they are fat and sitting at a computer in their parent's basement. You won't be able stop it because no matter what you do, there are so many that the truth is inevitable for everyone involved; whether they bother to acknowledge such or not.