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[-] CatholicSocialist@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

What the fuck? Why are we endorsing fascist state capitalists?

[-] 133arc585@lemmy.ml 55 points 1 year ago

They're obviously not fascist, and you'd know that if you were being honest about it and bothered educating yourself both on what fascism is, and on the realities of the PRC.

Also, it's not "state capitalism". They do use a market economy in addition to a planned economy, as part of the overall socialist economic system. It's not a binary either-or; using a market economy doesn't mean it's capitalism, and planned economy (intervention) doesn't mean it's socialism. They're structural terms, and relate to purpose: capitalism's purpose is to maximally extract profit and concentrate wealth; socialism's purpose is to better the lives (materially and culturally) of its people. China, as a socialist system, takes advantage of the benefits that a market economy can offer (efficiency, competition, resource allocation, demand and pricing signals) but doesn't use it to extract and concentrate wealth: instead, it uses the net benefits of the market economy to benefit the people. Similarly, a purely planned economy can be very stable and fair but is prone to stagnation and slow progress. By using both systems simultaneously, taking the relative advantages of each, China is able to benefit from efficiency and stability. There's also no pure free market economy: every capitalist economy has degrees of government intervention (another name for planned economy), especially in times of crises.

[-] CatholicSocialist@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Tell me this, does this supposed "socialist system" have workers owning the means of production? How are factory conditions again? Hell you can't even particularly call them a social democracy, they don't have complete universal healthcare like Europe yet, and they have less than half the paid leave! Socialist system with billionaires, LMFAO (I don't care if the rules are stricter and they're held more accountable, the fact they exist in the first place is pure capitalism).

And I'm calling them fascist because of how they treat political dissidents and minorities.

[-] YuccaMan@hexbear.net 43 points 1 year ago

You've got nothing here dude, take the L. You're clearly ignorant of what AES actually looks like historically, how it's formed, how it responds to pressures and challenges. You're just going by this vague, largely aesthetic conception of what socialism looks like, that you probably got from some youtuber that call themself a libertarian socialist or some other such incoherent shit, and you're castigating a real socialist governmemt attempting to reckon with the real world because they haven't waved a magic wand and enacted your asinine Disneyland version of socialism.

[-] CatholicSocialist@lemmy.ml -2 points 1 year ago

AES

Cringe.

The CCP absolutely has the power to redistribute wealth from billionaires... except the CCP is full of rich oligarchs themselves that are only occasionally purged, so that's not gonna happen.

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