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As someone who raised this issue, I want to thank the mods for addressing this. The MBFC bot aside, I think this will also cut down on dupes, as I’ve seen numerous times where an article was shared twice- once from the OG source and then another version from MSN or Yahoo news.
And for users who want to check the source of something, it does make it easier to fact check for yourself.
Who knows, it might even slow down certain profligate posters who obviously just take every link in a news aggregator and share it (and then brush off every comment with a “I didn’t write the article…) 😉
Accounts have been spamming MSN, amp and yahoo links?
Yes, mostly MSN and Yahoo
And yet the mod log is empty of that. If was spamming there'd be more than 1 in the last week.
I said they were profligate in their posting, not spamming. Say, for instance, users with 1.6k posts in around 60 days. Personally I feel they have been spamming, but the mods think differently and that’s fine. However they are pretty universally regarded as posting and commenting to an unhealthy degree.
Are you saying it ain't illegal if the cops don't catch you doing it? 🤣
People usually link to sites like MSN and Yahoo because the content is no longer locked behind a paywall. 🤷♂️
Many of the articles I’ve seen are not in fact behind a paywall but obviously YMMV
What seems reasonable to me is, if someone is willing to make the optional effort to do so, to link the original paywalled source as the primary link, but then either add the paywall-free MSN/Yahoo/AMP link at the bottom of the description or in a comment. It looks like this would still be in line with the updated rules, but would prevent duplicate posts (one posts only the paywall free version and one posts only with a paywall link).
There’s much better ways to do archive links that deal with paywalls, e.g. archive.is and others. News aggregators should not be relied on for archival links, as a link that works today may not work a year from now, as corporate agreements/ownership change
Ah, that's a good point that I hadn't considered. You're right.
Of course there might be that rare exception - where the archivers can't get past the paywall on the original site, but it's available from MSN or something.
Even so, it seems like as a general rule, prefer to use an archiver, and fall back to a news aggregator only as a last resort, and then archive the news aggregator's page so it's retained even if the aggregator drops the article later on. Am I on the right track here?
(Current example, https://archive.ph/nugTi did not succeed in getting https://theintercept.com/2024/10/09/white-house-oct-7-israel-war-gaza/ - in the past I've seen this overcome by archiving from the Google Cache'd version or from a version archived in the Wayback machine, but Google Cache was killed by Google and archive.org is currently down still over this holiday weekend.)
BTW, for that site and others with more of a nagwall rather than a paywall, viewing it in reader view takes care of the popup (and many Lemmy clients can be set to default to reader view for links)
Thanks, the tip about the reader view solves the original issue (on reading nagwalled articles). I run my own pyfedi/piefed instance so I'd be surprised if I could use a lemmy client, but I'll keep it in mind.
If only there was a way I could feed my reader view into archive.is (which would solve the other issue, that of preserving the article in case the original ever goes down).