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The first two paragraphs I quoted under Partition prove you wrong.
The first talks about discussions 2 decades prior.
The second can be reworded more succinctly: Ultimately, UNSCOP delivered two proposals: that of the majority, which recommended two separate states joined economically, and that of the minority, which supported the formation of a single binational state made up of autonomous Jewish and Palestinian areas. The Jewish community approved of the first of these proposals, while the Arabs opposed them both.
Yeah, Brittanica is wrong there. Palestinian Representatives supported a Unitary state since 1928. The Minority Proposal was not voted on after extensive lobbying by American-Zionist organizations and extensive US diplomatic pressure in the UN.
Spoiler
https://israeled.org/resources/documents/report-of-the-un-special-committee-on-palestine-unscop-summary/
Nor was the UN proposal binding in any way unless both parties accepted. It was used as a justification for the declaration of the Jewish State and subsequent Ethnic Cleansing to create it's own borders as far as they could.
Partition is inherently unequal, it is impossible to implement without the forced expulsion of the native Palestinian population, which was the entire plan. Which you can read about with the Quoted book about The Concept of Transfer in the history of Zionism and Quotes by Ben-Gurion and Theodore Herzl themselves.
This is all some sensationalist fiction drummed up by an outcast anti-Israel author. You lose the plot when you say 'EB is wrong here'. Your guy is unproven and intentionally controversial and you lap it up because he says what you want to be true. He is wrong. I'll stick with the unbiased opinion TYVM.
Not only that, but your citation here supports what I'm saying. "Zionists and Arabs had clearly shown they had absolutely no inclination to live together under the same governmental umbrella". And yet, the Zionists agreed with a proposal in the end.
Face it, you're in the wrong here. All your links point to meaningless historical footnotes on the diplomatic process and ignore the fact that the Arabs refused to accept either final UN proposal, nor lobbied in favour of one or the other. They were the first to resort to violence and all because they refuse to relinquish land taken from the Jews in the first place.
It is this insistence on resorting to violence that has cost them so dearly ever since. Even the settlements are predicated on security justified by previous terrorism. No terrorism, no need for a security buffer.
Edit: and 'plans for gaza' are themselves meaningless when they aren't enacted prior to a terror attack. Anticipating more terrorism is prudent at this point.