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My Mexican immigrant coworker believes that if Kamala gets elected that immigrants will be deported but also immigrants are getting too much free money and food stamps and things like that. He really has bought into some kind of weird belief that Donald Trump is a better candidate. He can't vote because he's not a citizen. I think he's just pissed off because he works two jobs and sees people who get free stuff and don't come here legally as lazy.
Trying to combine immigrants in your first sentence is so disingenuous. Here's what makes it clear:
Legal Immigrants are different than illegal immigrants. Of course your coworker is pissed off that he's come here legally and is not getting rewarded for it. Whether the ones who come illegally are lazy or not doesn't make a difference. They shouldn't be given anything we currently give them. We have veterans dying in the streets getting nothing. Everyone should be mad about it.
What you're saying is not precisely true. To register for food stamps, well, you need to be registered. Likewise for other forms of welfare.
Illegal immigrants are not coming to this country and living off of welfare. That is not happening.
But even if it was, are you seriously going to tell me that the solution to that is to kick those immigrants out? To round them up in camps? That's not going to help homeless veterans.
People like you will either believe in stupid arguments or talk in bad faith, and then not actually support welfare or UBI at all.
Illegal immigrants aren't getting money and services through our usual welfare program, but nice try implying that's what we're claiming.
And yes, kick out the ones here illegally. Not sure where you're getting camps from, just move them out. Then we need to redirect sources to Americans that need it and we need to make sure those are being spent properly and not disappearing into bureaucratic pockets.
You do realize how just morally corrupt and insane that logic is right? We spend trillions as a country, you're upset that immigrants might get something when our veterans program is still lacking. You are fighting over crumbs and upset at other crumb eaters instead of the elite being the ones only giving out crumbs. There are valid arguments and suggested tactics to help BOOST the economy with programs that can help veterans, immigrants, and includes social safety nets for all people. The distraction that "They're Stealing Your Crumbs!^tm^" helps stop any progress and keeps the boogeyman so voters can be scared into submission.
We need immigrants to help a flailing economy thanks to the baby boomer population (immigrants help us economically!, it's a statistical fact!). Immigrants also have lower crime rates than typical groups of people born here. Housing the homeless is cheaper than arresting them, ER visits (because no preemptive healthcare) are most expensive, ETC ETC. All the fear mongering is just lies, don't believe the hatred and look into it yourself so you're not spreading misinformation.
https://nij.ojp.gov/topics/articles/undocumented-immigrant-offending-rate-lower-us-born-citizen-rate
https://www.cfr.org/in-brief/how-does-immigration-affect-us-economy
https://www.globalgiving.org/learn/how-much-would-it-cost-to-end-homelessness-in-america/
I just love how the political discourse went from "should we have healthcare for all? (circa 2016)", to "they took our jobs! (circa southpark 2004)".
Very well put
It takes resources to "round them up and kick them out." Resources that could instead be spent on the Americans that need it.
Out of the only two options on the ballot that have any chance of winning, which side shits on the veterans dying in the streets and which side tries to help them?
The electoral college picks the president. Not you. You're a "migrant" labeled "citizen". You can influence the election if you happen to walk by an actual elector and get a chance to talk to him..... Tell him about your student loans, your fear of putin, the homeless, you two jobs just to pay the mortgage, etc. they'll understand and vote the way you would vote if you were an actual elector... don't you worry migrant!
Yey! Democracy!