ID: V from V for Vendetta saying "people should not be afraid of their governments, governments should be afraid of their people"
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I feel like I look like a 14 year old edgelord when I tell people how much I love that movie, but there are so many great nuggets in both the dialogue and story.
I would say a 14 year old edgelord couldn't begin to appreciate this movie or the ideas in it (that isn't to say any 14 year olds, just the edgelords).
Either way, you shouldn't give a fuck, it's a great and meaningful film (I've not read the graphic novel myself, but I only hear good things) that should be required viewing, not something to be embarrassed about liking.
The graphic novel has some differences, mostly related to the era it was written in. Do yourself a huge favor and go ahead and read it. Like Watchmen and The Killing Joke, it's not just the writing, but also the panel layout, colors, and framing.
Until you've read "This Vicious Cabaret" in it's original layout you haven't really experienced V for Vendetta.
I do love watching film media first, and then reading the book. When the film version is done well, the book is like DVD extras. When the film is done poorly, the book redeems the story
Enjoy your DVD extras
Not many people I know personally like watching before reading but I definitely prefer it in that order as well. If I read an amazing book before watching its film adaptation, the film will never live up to the book. The Martian was this way for me.
So i have trouble visualizing things, particularly people, and especially faces. When i watch a show or movie i can register a face to a name, and that in turn let's me "see" them in my minds eye as I read.
The Expanse was just about perfect for that, i just had to mentally stretch Naomi to 2+meters tall, and things like that
I think I like reading first and then anything else. If the film is different or worse, it doesn't actually detract from the book. I try to look at it as someone having a try at a tribute rather than replacing the book. Hitchhikers Guide was different, and many complained, but "hey it's different" is a silly complaint when Hitchhikers Guide was different in literally every medium but film and book are always going to be the most seen. Foundation is different but nonetheless enjoyable. The emperor Cleon is never like that in the books but instead in the show, personifies the entire empire, ruthless, vain, powerful but performative, human and not. How else to portray a 10,000 year empire in a few dozen episodes of TV? I saw the Lord of the Rings films before the book but Christ I could not read those books without some higher level, more tangible image of what I am reading.
Era is true, but not quite right.
Moore roughly described it as taking a graphic novel about British anarchism vs British fascism and turning it into a story about American neoliberalism vs neoconservativism and still setting it in Britain even though there wasn't anything British about it anymore.
Too right. It was a gross oversimplification, thank you for building on it
It's definitely my intention to read it at some point.
If we were neighbors I'd let you borrow my (very well-worn) copy
I appreciate that, thanks! Though it's less about getting a copy, and more about finding the time and brain space to actually read anything of any significant length. One day though..
What's a DVD?
It's like a record, but your dad doesn't get as mad when you throw it at your brother
Well that's always a good thing.
I'm in, lube me up.
Yeah, I don't let it stop me, it's just in the back of my mind sometimes. It seems like it might have that sort of aesthetic (IMO) to someone who hasn't actually watched it and just looks superficially at a trailer or etc.
The graphic novel is on my must-read list, it's just unfortunate that my must-read list is so long. 😁
Yeah, I see what you mean about how it might look to an observer. You still shouldn't give a fuck though lol
And I very much relate to the other statement, only I've given up on making a list because my brain is just too frazzled to ever get to it.. 😬
His V laden intro is fantastic and the film is great, not looking so edgy these days
Alan Moore is edgy as shit, but also he’s very correct about a lot.