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[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world -1 points 1 day ago

You're ignoring that 2 independents caucus with Democrats. It's dishonest to exclude them. But you're splitting hairs because it's convenient for your excuses.

[-] TheFonz@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Two independents from conservative states that barely align with democrats. Why do you handwave this away so easily???

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

One of the independents is Bernie Sanders.

Manchin and Sinema were both capital-D Democrats at the time they did everything you wanted.

[-] TheFonz@lemmy.world 1 points 18 hours ago

They did NOT do everything. It fact we barely got them to do much. All this information is publicly available. Their voting records are available to see. None of this is hidden. They are the primary reason most of the bills that DID pass were almost completely neutered because they were negotiated down or stalled. This also happened only a few years ago. We are not talking about last decade.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 0 points 17 hours ago

They did NOT do everything.

God damn, you're bad at reading. First you act like Manchin and Sinema were independents when they were blocking shit for you, and now you're ignoring parts of my sentence to make it contrary to what I said.

Manchin and Sinema did everything that YOU WANTED THEM TO DO. They blocked legislation. That's all you wanted.

There is no point in arguing with you since you selectively pretend to be unable to read.

[-] TheFonz@lemmy.world 1 points 16 hours ago

I'm not sure where the confusion is. My whole point in that those two shits (Manchin and Sinema) did not vote with the party and blocked legislation. They worked against progressive legislation. Many of the bills had progressive policies that were taken out because of those two idiots. I'm for progressive policies but even I recognize the Democratic party was held hostage by these two shits. I thought I was clear???

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 points 9 hours ago

I’m not sure where the confusion is. My whole point in that those two shits (Manchin and Sinema) did not vote with the party and blocked legislation. They worked against progressive legislation. Many of the bills had progressive policies that were taken out because of those two idiots.

Right. We voted for Democrats. We gave Democrats the seats they needed. They didn't vote in the lockstep Democrats demand from their voters.

I’m for progressive policies

But you make excuses for the party that always finds the no votes to kill them.

but even I recognize the Democratic party was held hostage by these two shits. I thought I was clear???

Held hostage. Sure. Oh no. Just enough Democrats voted against legislation that party leadership didn't want. There are always enough Manchins.

Now selectively forget how to read again.

[-] TheFonz@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago

I don't know what your argument is any more. Sinema and Manchin were always moderates. Democrats can't perform miracles if they don't have enough votes. Do you have any suggestions how they could have done it with just a slim majority held back by two moderates? What's your plan? I'm listening.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 0 points 6 hours ago

I’m listening.

This entire conversation has shown that this is a lie.

[-] TheFonz@lemmy.world 0 points 5 hours ago

I don't understand. Did I lobby any insults at you at any point?

I just asked how could any meaningful legislation pass without a super majority and you accuse me of lying. My thesis hasn't changed since post #1. Do you have any suggestions for how the democratic party could have effected change without a super majority? I'm really curious. We'd all like to know.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 0 points 5 hours ago

I just asked how could any meaningful legislation pass without a super majority and you accuse me of lying.

We gave Democrats the 50 seats they needed to kill the filibuster forever.

I said you were lying about listening. Because you weren't listening.

[-] TheFonz@lemmy.world 0 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

So... Now we've pivotted to ad homs

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 0 points 5 hours ago

No, I'm telling you that it's clear that you aren't listening and have no intention of listening. Talking to someone who makes endless excuses for democrats' deliberate failures is exhausting. I'm going to do something else.

If they didn't vote with the Dems when it actually mattered, why should they count?

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

THEY DID. Unlike Manchin and Sinema, independents caucused with the party.

The Democratic caucus had 50 seats. We gave them the seats. They used them like you wanted.

[-] Cornelius_Wangenheim@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I am talking about Sinema and Manchin only. They may have had a D next to their name, but they were not on the side of Democrats when it mattered.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

And we gave Democrats those seats.

Lying and saying that we only gave Democrats 48 just because 2 of them did everything you wanted doesn't mean that we didn't give Democrats what they needed.

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