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Bernie Sanders blasts Democratic Party following Harris loss
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I agree, optics matter to the public and media.
The media has sane washed an insane old person, while negatively spinning or outright ignoring any Biden accomplishment.
The fact is, in this system, we're trying to convince a small group of undecided folks in a few swing states to get involved and make a choice.
The majority of the public is too tired and busy to bother to review the facts, and happy to watch an opinion of the matter - whether it's true or not.
If it fits into their world-view there's no need to challenge it.
No, that undecided group does not exist, this election clearly demonstrated that. Trump results are nearly identical to 2020. What exists are people who are not engaged or disalusioned. They also are poor and going to vote is a meaningful event that takes energy that they don't have.
Yeah, you're acting in bad faith here too.
The numbers of votes clearly show over 24 million people sat out 2024 vs 2020.
Undecided doesn't mean they'll make a decision on voting day.
I know of several people who willingly sat out because the state they're in was always decided and they didn't feel it would matter.
You just said exactly what I said while also saying im acting in bad faith.
Apologies, I didn't figure the math right. ~16 million.
I disagree.
Your first statement was that an undecided voter group didn't exist.
That's what I'm responding to.
Undecided did exist as ~16 million fewer votes were cast. Those could be protest votes could be voter roll purges...
We don't know what they've decided because they didn't decide in a way that is counted.
That is all.
They can claim whatever reason they want. They abdicated their voices this time. Hope they're able to use them again.
I said exactly that, its not people choosing between the parties its choosing to engage, but even more than that its people for who voting is a burden and that in 2020 a lot of effort was put into giving people access to voting due to the pandemic.
That's what you wrote. You are backtracking on that statement now?
We know that ~16 million people didn't vote this time vs 2020. We know that around 60% of all possible voters participated in 2020. We don't know what that ~50-60% in (2024) actually want because they couldn't be convinced to decide. That is the definition of undecided. That is literally ~50% of registered voting people who left the choice undecided. A group you claim to be non-existent.
If they wanted to protest vote, they should and could have en masse voted for 'Gaza Freedom' or 'No Fascism' or any coordinated name as a write-in.
Several parties suggested it during their primaries. I can't find evidence of it occurring in those primaries.
At least 12 states have no registration requirement for their write-in votes on final elections. Most don't require it on primaries.
That didn't happen or wasn't reported. The evidence suggests the former.
I'd be more accepting of your claim if the facts actually supported your narrative.
The numbers show that only about 60% of people who can vote actually decided.
40% didn't decide even after considering.
Beyond that there's still 40% of the population who didn't even decide to consider voting.
Which group of undecided voting eligible citizens do you claim as non-existent?
You didn't say exactly what I said.
Your initial statement was in disagreement with the statement regarding undecided voters.