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No need to blame third party. At least they voted.
Voters didn't show up, period. It's so bad that literally every democratic voter could have instead voted 3rd party and Trump still would have won.
Blame the DNC for not having a primary, and blame voters for not showing up to vote for things like Ranked Choice Voting.
But third party voters actually voted this time. The fault is not on them. (Unless they were saying there's no point to voting)
“No primary” is the excuse I keep hearing. Well, given the three months notice, wtf did people want? Harris is VP, next in line for the presidency. So she’s the obvious choice. They could have had an open convention. But Harris appeared to have overwhelming support from Democratic voters. So an open convention would have had no challengers. I’m sorry a whole bunch of people couldn’t muster a vote for her in light of the alternative authoritarian POS that will now run the country.
And the Greens are 100% a spoiler party, trotting out their unqualified (Stein couldn’t answer how many people are in Congress, a basic bit of civics) shill candidate every four years while doing absolutely jackshit as a party at any other time. They have never got someone elected to Congress in the entirety of their existence. Because they don’t even try.
Harris did indeed have overwhelming support and the polls even showed her ahead for a decent while. Sometime after the debate, she started courting the Cheney faction and simultaneously diluted her messaging. Coincidentally, this is also soon after she brought some Clinton strategists in. She lost the enthusiasm she had built up in the summer.
I dont exactly excuse people who stayed home (or protest voted), but I do understand that Harris didn't do herself any favors with that type voter either. I felt the enthusiasm wane, and I've never missed a federal or state election.
Oh, believe me I 100% agree with you on both points. Just look through my history, 110% agree in full. The DNC's choice, while frustrating, made sense. I think acting early would have been the way to actually get a primary, and that wasn't happening because Biden decided he wasn't a 1 term President for a little while. Because of this people around here blame the DNC for causing this situation in the first place, which I'm 50/50 on. The situation was from the DNC, but at the same time, if Harris wasn't your first choice and you have no other alternatives, why the heck didn't anyone vote for Ranked Choice Voting on their ballot? It failed nation wide. And people point out that abortion won in red states, as if that changes my point? Granted, ranked choice could have been different for each states ballot, I'm not certain on what the specifics are for each state, or why they might have failed if abortion passed.
However in post election, the Greens got what, 1 million votes? At least they voted, at all. I don't really think it's the greens and most of those voters that were telling people to not vote. The fact of the matter is that with our numbers in the electoral college, they all could have voted for Harris, all Democrats could have voted for Stein, it wouldn't have mattered, because people didn't show up to vote.
I think that it was a combination of a lack of enthusiasm for Harris after staying so strongly pro-Israel instead of more heavily actively campaigning for, at the very least, a two state solution. Though really we all know that we want the genocide to end, and that was all the campaigning that would really be needed.
It would be a different story if it was 75 million to 74 million (Harris) down to a swing state or two in the E.C., but it wasn't. It was a blowout because people didn't go vote.
So whatever caused people to choose not to vote was really the issue. What those are though will be different depending on who you ask (and in reality, any answer is probably a correct answer for about a thousand people)