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[-] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 57 points 2 weeks ago

Do you even remember 2020? Nobody fucking wanted Biden. He was never progressive. He was literally mocked for telling donors "Nothing will fundamentally change." People turned out because of how much they hated Trump.

[-] pjwestin@lemmy.world 33 points 2 weeks ago

That actually occurred in 2019, not 2020. After Bernie nearly stomped him in the primary, he made a hard pivot to the left in 2020. As I said, he's a centrist, but he actually does have a strong history of pro-union activism, which made him a fairly credible (though imperfect) messenger for a populous platform.

[-] Akasazh@feddit.nl 3 points 2 weeks ago

It's almost unfathomable how many people failed to show up to vote, if they disliked Trump that much in 2020. What has Trump done to gather support or apathy about this in so many people?

[-] Kalysta@lemm.ee 9 points 1 week ago

It was more that Kamala did nothing to get them off the couch.

Biden at least promised student loan forgiveness and did try. It was a shit attempt but credit where it’s due he tried and ended up being able to at least forgive a bunch of public service loans. Kamala promised, what? Help to buy a house? Ok sure. Because we can totally afford that with the cost of groceries today.

[-] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Maybe we underestimated how much Covid forced/gave everyone time to pay attention to politics. Or perhaps people saw Trump dodge accountability at every turn and disillusionment in the system bred apathy. It could also be online manipulation pushing Gaza as making Harris/Biden just as bad as Trump. Probably all of the above.

[-] Akasazh@feddit.nl 3 points 1 week ago

I get that but 15 mil people is a lot. Needs looking into imho.

[-] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

Agreed. There's a tiny paranoid voice in the back of my head saying that with Trump every accusation is a confession and he made a lot of election fraud accusations.

[-] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 weeks ago

Trump didn't do that, Putin did.

[-] Akasazh@feddit.nl 4 points 2 weeks ago

So why didn't he in 2020?

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