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submitted 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) by Yingwu@lemmy.dbzer0.com to c/fediverse@lemmy.world

I was just reading this post https://old.reddit.com/r/selfhosted/comments/1gmv76n/is_reddit_going_to_remain_the_primary_space_for/ and many barely see the fediverse as an alternative and they seem to have a negative bias towards it. Super ironic when it comes to the self-hosting community. Yes, some instances are problematic, yes, some devs might have had problematic views. But it doesn't really matter when it's federated and FOSS. I think it's clear-cut that the selfhosting community on Lemmy is a perfect alternative to reddit. Why is there such a negative bias?

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[-] Jumuta@sh.itjust.works 28 points 6 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

I don't get the hate against the lemmy devs tbh, they have their (perhaps controversial) political views but they leave everyone that's not on their site alone and it feels like they develop lemmy pretty impartially

sure they might ban you off ml but that's their site and they get to do whatever they want with it, just like every other instance

i mean network effect is a thing i guess but that's not as important on lemmy where there are usually similarly large communities about generic things on most major instances

[-] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 24 points 6 days ago

Exactly .... it's also a double standard because reddit is basically a capitalist model of the same digital system but no one ever complains or criticizes it.

The socialist digital creators built something and shared it freely with everyone and also don't exert control over anyone.

The capitalist digital creatures built something and locked it up, monetized it and are using the user's efforts as the basis for the business only the owners make money on and have complete control over everything.

It's amazing because it's a fantastic metaphor for the two platforms.

[-] Alphane_Moon@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago

Calling them "socialist digital creators" is misleading at best, if not an outright insult to socialism.

They are marxists-leninists who whitewash the crimes committed by the USSR and CCP. They support the genocidal invasion by Russia, a country that is neither socialist or democratic; it's an authoritarian capitalist oligarchy.

There is no double standard. You don't see the CTO of reddit running a subreddit dedicated to whitewashing the Pinochet regime and/or western colonialism in Africa or Asia.

Reddit is run by sketchy and corrupt individuals, it is possible that in a just world we would even call them criminals. Lemmy's marxists-leninists are openly supportive of genocidal actions and brutal authoritarian leadership. There is no comparison.

[-] Shatur@lemmy.ml 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Could provide a link to a comment or a quote where the devs whitewash the crimes or support genocides?

[-] Alphane_Moon@lemmy.world 0 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

My man, the head developer of lemmy is the admin of lemmygrad. He has a fucking Mao picture in his profile!

Don't even try to weasel your way around this. This is not going to work with me.

I hate these people. Pathetic larpers living in democratic countries while supporting authoritarianism and genocide. And when I say hate, I don't mean it in the internet slang way ("hater").

How should I put this without breaking any rules? I genuinely wish they meet the same fate as "Donbas Cowboy", Russell Bentley:

Bentley, 64, was a fixture in the low-level Russian incursion in Ukraine dating back to 2014. Calling himself the Donbas Cowboy, Bentley became a popular figure on Russian propaganda networks for his criticism of the U.S. government.

Bentley’s wife, Lyudmila, then claimed that Russian soldiers from a tank battalion abducted him.

According to the Investigative Committee, Vansyatsky, Agaltsev, and Iordanov tortured Bentley on April 8, and he died shortly afterward.

Vansyatsky and Agaltsev are suspected of blowing up a car with Bentley’s body in it and ordering Bazhin to get rid of what was left of his remains.

[-] Shatur@lemmy.ml 0 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

My man, the head developer of lemmy is the admin of lemmygrad

No, he is not. Check admins section on lemmygrad.ml, which profile do you think belongs to dessalines? He is only admin of lemmy.ml.

He has a fucking Mao picture in his profile!

It's a controversial figure, but it doesn't mean that the dev supports crimes or genocides.

How should I put this without breaking any rules? ...

You judge people who support genocide, I get it and I here with you. But wishing death upon others because of their opinions? That’s just hypocrisy.

[-] Alphane_Moon@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

No, he is not. Check admins section on lemmygrad.ml, which profile do you think belongs to dessalines? He is only admin of lemmy.ml.

Are you sure about that? Why does this page state that:

Lemmygrad was created by dessalines and Farmer Heck.[a] It has over 34,000 posts and over 360 active users.[2]

With a further clarification that Muad'Dibber (who is currently an admin) is dessalines

Currently known as Muad'Dibber and Black Tulip, respectively, on Lemmygrad.'

Is Muad'Dibber not dessalines?

It’s a controversial figure, but it doesn’t mean that the dev supports crimes or genocides.

Controversial figure? Mao was a brutal dictator that directly caused an inordinate amount of deaths and suffering. He is no better than Stalin, Pinochet, Hitler or Pol Pot.

Since he runs lemmygrad, he most definitely supports the genocide of Ukrainians in the occupied territories. Before you start acting out, I'd like to see you and your family try and speak Ukrainian in the occupied and try and publicly oppose russian occupaiton. I think the example I provided with the “Donbas Cowboy”, Russell Bentley, should give you an idea of what life is like there.

And then there is also their support for the genocide of Uighurs in Xinjiang.

For you this is just random internet drama. I am not going to tolerate any degenerate LARPer shilling for russia and the CCP.

You judge people who support genocide, I get it and I here with you. But wishing death upon others because of their opinions? That’s just hypocrisy.

These are not mere opinions. These scoundrels wish me, my family and my fellow citizens harm in the most pathetic way possible; by LARPing online as marxist-leninists. It is reasonable to want them to end up like “Donbas Cowboy”, Russell Bentley. This a just and fair end for Western LARPers who whitewash genocide.

this post was submitted on 09 Nov 2024
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