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submitted 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) by MicroWave@lemmy.world to c/politics@lemmy.world

Summary

Historians suggest Democrats might have fared better against Donald Trump by embracing the economic issues championed by Senator Bernie Sanders, who has long pushed for a focus on “bread-and-butter” concerns for working-class voters.

Despite Kamala Harris’s progressive policies, polls showed Trump was favored on economic issues, particularly among working-class and Hispanic voters.

Historian Leah Wright Rigueur argued that Sanders’ messaging on economic struggles could be key for future Democratic strategies.

Sanders himself criticized the party for “abandoning” the working class, which he said has led to a loss of support across racial lines.

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[-] ThirdWorldOrder@lemm.ee -3 points 2 weeks ago

Lol I actually voted and voted for Harris. FWIW I’m also a former Republican who voted for Trump in ‘16.

If I’m able to fucking learn then so will all these morons who stayed home and didn’t vote because of either their apathy or “principles”.

Those people gave Trump the path to the White House again.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Lol I actually voted and voted for Harris. FWIW I’m also a former Republican who voted for Trump in ‘16.

Oh look, it's the only voter Harris cared about.

[-] ThirdWorldOrder@lemm.ee 1 points 2 weeks ago

Why does it matter if Harris cared about my vote? I did my job. Did you?

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Why does it matter if Harris cared about my vote?

Because seeking votes is what campaigning is.

I did my job. Did you?

I voted for Harris. Harris didn't do hers. She ran to the right and alienated the left.

Me and others like me warned what would happen as a result, and it was interpreted in all cases as trump support. Got called Russians so often that c/politics eventually made a rule forbidding it. Centrists thought they knew better. Thought that genocide had popular support. Thought that Dick Cheney's endorsement was a win. No one likes Dick Cheney. Even Republicans hated him before the endorsement. The constant abuse aimed at Muslim voters left Trump an in-road that he exploited. Pretending that the economy was fine and that everything was better now, after all the inflation that it sure as fuck looked like the Biden administration just sat back and watched.

Not to mention the very public failures of the Biden administration on labor: Failing to pass BBB, killing the minimum wage increase, and breaking the rail strike. The Biden administration earned the distrust of workers, and it doesn't matter how fair you think that is. Harris didn't do a damned thing to differentiate herself from him on this issue. More of the same was untenable, worse was the only alternative, so people stayed home because they weren't being represented by either party, and one was insulting them and telling them that they weren't struggling because the economy was working fine for billionaires.

Hell, the only daylight between Harris and Biden was when she moved to his right. Promising to appoint a Republican to her Cabinet. Campaigning with Liz Cheney. Even Biden wasn't that tonedeaf.

We warned you. We kept warning you because we knew what was at stake. You were all so fucking pigheaded that you refused to listen.

[-] ThirdWorldOrder@lemm.ee 0 points 2 weeks ago

No one wanted Dick Cheney’s endorsement lol. You are right about most of the points you are making. Unfortunately for the further left, america is about to get a lot more right now. The ideas that progressives are offering are just not resonating with voters while prices are going up up up.

Dems are going to have to start playing nasty if they want to compete now.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

No one wanted Dick Cheney’s endorsement lol.

Really? Because lemmy's centrists sure seemed really fucking happy to have it.

Unfortunately for the further left, america is about to get a lot more right now.

Congratulations.

The ideas that progressives are offering are just not resonating with voters while prices are going up up up.

No. This is complete self-serving bullshit. The ideas that progressives are offering aren't what Harris ran on. She ran against those ideas. She ran on maintaining an anti-progressive status quo.

Dems are going to have to start playing nasty if they want to compete now

Anything to keep from treating the left like humans with agency. And Democrats already play nasty. They just play nasty against the progressive wing of their own party.

[-] ThirdWorldOrder@lemm.ee 0 points 2 weeks ago

Really? I’ve literally never seen anyone on Lemmy excited about Dick Cheney. If you say it’s true it must be true then.

Most people don’t want your far left politics either. Keep staying home though and not voting like your peers. Seems to be working out well 😂

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

Keep staying home though and not voting like your peers.

Well, this conversation has now concluded since you have demonstrated that you don't listen:

I voted for Harris.

I know centrists are completely fucking incapable of listening to anything anyone to their left says, but this was in this same thread.

[-] ThirdWorldOrder@lemm.ee -1 points 2 weeks ago

Despite your continued hostility I can see you are having some issues:

  1. You are saying dems need to move further left to appease the people that didn’t vote. You are either saying the far left did vote (so why would we need to move further left?) or you are saying they didn’t vote because the dems are not left enough (so now we have Trump instead)
  2. If people wanted farther left, Bernie sanders would stand a reasonable chance which hasn’t happed because the majority doesn’t want it

Try to think this out, slowly.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

Conversation was over when you made it clear you don't listen.

[-] ThirdWorldOrder@lemm.ee -1 points 2 weeks ago

Im sorry that you found my questions difficult to answer 😂

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