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[-] Dragonstaff@leminal.space 28 points 4 days ago

Leftists are so insignificant that we don't need to make any concessions to them but so powerful that they are responsible for any Democratic loss.

[-] hobovision@lemm.ee -4 points 4 days ago

Leftists are just about the only group that will go around saying they "won't vote" if there isn't a candidate making enough concessions to them. Leftists are a small group but they are enough they could sway an election if they came out and made their voices heard by voting instead of just holding signs and yelling. But getting that to happen isn't as simple as just saying you're against the genocide, because Harris did that and it wasn't enough. It isn't as simple as supporting unions, because she did that and it wasn't enough. It isn't as simple as supporting rights for women, minorities, and LGBTQ, because she did that and it wasn't enough.

The right isn't stupid enough to believe that they can get their oligarchy without winning elections, but belief in incremental change is fundamentally incompatible with a lot of leftist ideology.

[-] Dragonstaff@leminal.space 1 points 4 days ago

Democrats spend far too much time and energy pretending everyone to the left of the Democrats are anti-electoralist anarchists.

getting that to happen isn't as simple as just saying you're against the genocide, because Harris did that and it wasn't enough. It isn't as simple as supporting unions, because she did that and it wasn't enough. It isn't as simple as supporting rights for women, minorities, and LGBTQ, because she did that and it wasn't enough.

Yes. You're absolutely correct that what the Democrats are doing is not enough. If the DNC can get that through their thick skulls, maybe we have a chance next time.

You can't just say you support unions.

You can't just say you're against genocide.

You have to make people's lives materially better, and until the Dems choose to do that, we're in trouble.

this post was submitted on 10 Nov 2024
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