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[-] NeilBru@lemmy.world -1 points 4 days ago

To all the infallible unblemished champions of the proletarian revolution who are shitting on "libs":

According to the Concise Oxford Dictionary of Politics and Western Political Theory in the Face of the Future, this is the definition of liberalism:

Liberalism is a political and moral philosophy based on the rights of the individual, liberty, consent of the governed, political equality, right to private property and equality before the law.

In your own words, what do you think "lib" means? And if you're going with my cited textbook definition, what's so offensive to you about the tenets that are listed?

Either words' definitions matter or they don't, and if they don't, then none of what you say matters.

[-] nature_man@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago

Probably not the type of person you are directing the question towards, however, to me "Liberal" when used as a genuine marker of someone's political philosophy is effectively someone who believes in the status quo, but with slightly more protections for individuals, or relatively minor changes to existing political processes. They refuse to believe that other market or political system options are worthy of attempting or simply do not consider them feasible.

As to the second part,

Either words’ definitions matter or they don’t, and if they don’t, then none of what you say matters.

Unfortunately, definitions change over time or simply aren't accurate, homosexual used to inaccurately be defined as "sexual orientation disturbance" for example. That definition of liberal also covers things like the ""Classical Liberalism"" movement as liberal, they believe in COMPLETE market deregulation and capitalist "anarchy", their version of "rights of the individual" is the rights of an individual to do whatever they want to when they have the money to do so, without allowing any government to intervene in any way. This can (and frequently does) include using money to discriminate against other people, that's something worth fighting against.

Also FWIW, "Neoliberal" is defined by Oxford Languages as "favoring policies that promote free-market capitalism, deregulation, and reduction in government spending.", sometimes when people refer to "libs" they mean neoliberals, and yeah, deregulation and free-market capitalism has been tried, it sucks and deserves to be shat on.

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[-] FreakinSteve@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago

I fucking hate shitlib dictionary lawyering.

Just say you're gonna fucking ignore what's happening.

[-] NeilBru@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago

dictionary lawyering

So words don't matter to you, got it.

Just say you're gonna fucking ignore what's happening.

I voted blue up and down the ballot in every election possible in my adult life since 2000, despite the corporatist fellating DNC. I've demonstrated. I've donated. I've written to congressmen. I was in a union earlier in my career.

I've been called worse than "shitlib". Try harder.

[-] FreakinSteve@lemmy.world 0 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Here's how the corporatist DNC read your vote:

THEY LOVE ME!! THEY REALLY REALLY LOVE ME!!

[-] NeilBru@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago

Should I not have voted?

[-] FreakinSteve@lemmy.world -2 points 4 days ago

Libs embraced the Cheneys and told Bernie and Tlaib et al to go fuck themselves.

[-] NeilBru@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago

~~Libs~~ Corporatist DNC embraced the Cheneys and told Bernie and Tlaib et al to go fuck themselves.

[-] FreakinSteve@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago
[-] NeilBru@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago

Yes, I'm aware of the "paradox of intolerance".

You're doing great comrade; the revolution is one more snarky internet comment and molotov sippy-cup away.

this post was submitted on 10 Nov 2024
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