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Liberals aren't the middle, they're the far right. The second you defend genocide, you no longer get to pretend you're anything but a fascist. Plenty of Nazis felt bad about "the fact" Jews had to be systemically murdered. They weren't not Nazis for thinking that way.
You did not respond to my point.
If far right is your issue, why attack people to the left of the far right? You're pointing at a general problem, then ignoring the worst perpetrators of it. Any energy you spend focusing on the liberals is energy you could have spent focusing on conservatives. That's my point. Please respond to it.
Reread and try again, I did address your point.
But let's pretend Israel doesn't exist and we're talking about make believe liberals.
Those individuals would be smarter than those further to the right of them, and they would care generally about being monsters, at least while we're playing make believe. Those further to the right have no such issue, they accept that they're monsters.
Therefore enacting change would require liberals to move left, regardless of what ~~the lost causes~~ conservatives or the far right does.
Or to put it in an even more oversimplified way, liberals and other right wing but not Nazi people get yelled at, Nazis get punched.
You just said that liberals were far right.
Liberals are to the left of conservatives.
Your insults are pushing away the major party which was closer to your ideology, not further, you waste.
Stop pretending to be morally superior to everyone. You are a selfish drone who parrots things they read on internet forums and claims to be educated and deliberately obstructs the growth of a movement then complains when more people aren't involved with it.
I get it. You feel superior to liberals. But that smug feeling does not solve the problem; cooperation does. And liberals are more likely to cooperate if you find a common enemy with them instead of pushing them away. Please be a better human.
Liberals in the US are supporting genocide, they are not to the left of conservatives, who are also supporting genocide.
For the rest of your generic 2012 era "let's all support the moderate Republican with a d next to his name because he's black" rhetoric, that'd be nice, we tried that, then they supported genocide and used US troops to aide in genocide.
I don't know what you think my ideology is, but genocide isn't it. So no, liberals are not close to my ideology.
Your credibility is gone now. This has been fun. Thanks for the laughs!
For one that so begged for federation, you seem to hate interacting with others.
Hope you enjoy whatever it is you neolibs do in your spare time. I assume jerk off to footage from the genocide you support.