You aren't the voice of reason you think you are.

I guarantee the same exact shit was happening in the 1930s. People being disgusted that their family members would side with fascism and turn on mentally ill, Jewish, and gays.

Would you say the same thing about Germans turning on their family? Both leaders fought for turning their country into a fascist dictatorship

It’s fucking stupid to turn your back on your family over politics.

I think my mom made a stupid decision. Oh well. She thinks I made a stupid decision.

If your politics define you so much that you abandon your people or you’re not disciplined enough to keep your mouth shut at family events where you’ll convince no one, that’s on you.

Yes. It is fucking stupid.

But you know what's worse? Supporting a political party over your daughters, who are facing the very real possibility they will have to die simply because of a miscarriage, or no longer having the right to vote. That they will be forced to carry the baby of their rapist. that their daughters may no be entitled to an education- even the shitty ones now provided- the same way they were.

Facing those threats... because you voted for that political party.

They're not staying away, or "turning their back" on family because of politics. They're doing so because his politics objectively suck and absolutely will bring harm to them and millions like them. (that is. women. Not to mention racial minorities, immigrants, anyone whose different from the white, cisgendered, conservative male arch type.)

It’s fucking stupid to turn your back on your family over politics.

Right? Which is why the person in the original post shouldn't have voted for the guy that wants to take away the rights of his daughters. By voting for Trump, he chose politics over family, not his daughters.

Unfortunately, my continued existence is labeled as "politics" so no, someone who voted against my rights to exist is not my family anymore.

You know what we call Germans who disagreed with Hitler on some issues and yet still supported him?

Nazis.

Nobody cares, or will ever remember anything other than that.

One of my family members voted against my wife's freedoms, he's not family us anymore.

It’s fucking stupid to turn your back on your family over politics

It's really not. Politics determine your opinions and intentions regarding human rights and its violations. If my dad votes for Robodolf Mechahitler, he's not my dad anymore. Someone voting for Trump would likely betray their own daughter when Gilead rises. If they wouldn't, their vote is a contradiction to their character. I wouldn't take something like this lightly.

It's absolutely not stupid to turn your back on family because of politics.

It's not a sports team, it's conscious decisions that affect the law and how we are governed.

Yes it is that hard. If you consider the real effects that politics has on people's lives, the direct negative consequences of laws and policies that make their lives worse, and then you ask us to ignore those and stop talking about them, maybe we'll be able to do it if we are not the direct victims. But as soon as you are the direct victim, of course you're going to speak out on it.

Here's a very simple example. One of my relatives uses a wheelchair or a walker, and they have a vehicle with handicap tags that they use to get around. The problem is, one problem is, that many polling places don't have the legally required handicap parking available. So my relative has extreme difficulty voting. That's a political problem, a political issue, that disenfranchises my relative. Should they be able to discuss it with the family? I sure hope so. But is it politically charged? Of course it is.

What you're asking, what you're expecting, is that every single victim has to shut the f****** about the bad s*** they're dealing with, just because it's connected to the government.

And look, I picked one of the mildest examples you could possibly think of. After all, my relative might be able to vote absentee, depending on the rules in their state. But there are so many more examples that are absolutely tragic, that involve lives being totally ruined. And you think those should be off limits.

God damn. I find centrists to be spineless pussies of the highest order.

Drag wishes there were fewer people in the world willing to set aside politics for family. People like that are destroying the world.