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Regarding negotiations, I've seen the position "Russia out of Ukraine, NATO out of existence" which I think would generally be fair, but I don't think it'll actually happen since there is an interest in prolonging the war.
lol, NATO out of what? If you want NATO gone, you're gonna have to replace it with something, since it is the closest thing to a European army and as much as I'd love for armies to be unnecessary, after what russia has done there is no way that NATO is going away, even if the US suddenly disappeared. The day the US has a stroke and leaves NATO, Germany, Japan and Korea will have nukes ready to deploy in a week. People underestimate the utility of the US sucking up all the responsibilities with defense that come with hegemony, but I suppose you don't, since you understand geopolitical nuance.
Exactly. Russia proved the only thing that will stop them from invading their neighbors is force, and Hark believes other countries will willingly give up their own defense after this multi-year demonstration? The only thing keeping Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania from a Russian invasion is NATO. No way in hell are they giving that up.
That you can't imagine a world without NATO or an equivalent speaks volumes.
No, you need to imagine that Europe has as much of a right (a need, actually) to have an army coordination structure as russia does, what world do you live in? What are we going to have? 30 independent armies? That's how we got the napoleonic wars, WW1, WW2. Turkey membership has kept Greece and Turkey from going to war. You have no idea what you're talking about.
I mean, how about russia disbands its own army? How about that, can't you imagine a world like that?
Ah yes, the European country known as the United States of America.
Yes, you should also cry about Australia and Israel being in Eurovision, but not russia: https://piped.video/watch?v=m7MZs-QdrFI
Eurovision is the strongest military alliance, I reckon.
You are a fuckin dunce mate. Dude is making solid points and you can't get out of your "hurr durr, usa bad" for even 1 comment
Solid points like comparing NATO to Eurovision? It's a compliment to be called a dunce by the likes of you.
Omg. Lol literal idiocy here.
Yeah, that user did make an idiotic comparison. That or you mean "idiocy here" in regards to your worthless self adding nothing to the conversation.