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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by tubbadu@lemmy.kde.social to c/degoogle@lemmy.ml

Hello there! This is my problem: I'm going to buy a new smartphone, and I'd really like to degoogle myself as much as possible. The idea would be to buy a device compatible with LineageOS, but... Supported devices are usually older models, and often there are newer devices with better specs for the same price, that does not support lineageOS. Is seems a shame to buy a device with lower specs than another one just because of software compatibility. So the alternative would be to buy an unsupported device, unlock the bootloader and debloat it as much as possible, flash privileged fdroid and aurora store on it, install microg, etc... What do you suggest me to do? Is the second alternative a viable option? What other steps should I do if I decide to go that way?

Thanks in advance folks!

Edit:
Thanks to anyone for the great answers! I finally decided to buy a pixel 6 (or 6 pro if I find a good deal) and install a custom ROM on it! GrapheneOS will support it for "only" 3 more years, while other roms like lineageos or divestos will have longer support. What do you suggest? Graphene OS and when support ends switch to another one? O directly use the other one?

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[-] popekingjoe@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago

Ironically, the best devices for degoogling are Pixels. You can unlock the bootloader very easily and then flash something like GrapheneOS or CalyxOS, and finally even relock the bootloader afterwards for security. Graphene can run google services in a sandboxed mode and Calyx has microG by default iirc.

[-] tubbadu@lemmy.kde.social 5 points 1 year ago

Thanks for the answer! Sadly pixel devices have no SD card, and it is a quite important feature for me

[-] Imprint9816@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 year ago

Why not just buy a usb-c to sd card reader for $8 on amazon? Wouldn't it be better to comprimise a bit of convenience then installing a less secure / private rom

[-] smeg@feddit.uk 5 points 1 year ago

Out of interest what specifically do you use an SD card for?

[-] jacktherippah@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The best option would be a Pixel running GrapheneOS. If you don't want a Pixel, a well supported device with DivestOS (look for a recent one with a relockable bootloader) would be your best option. Debloating a stock OS isn't recommended since those apps will come back anyway should the system update. Leaving your bootloader unlocked and rooting your phone as well is detrimental to Android security. Please don't do that. See a third party OS comparison Also see:

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[-] mathemachristian@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago

If pixel/GrapheneOS is not an option I would recommend DivestOS which supports a very wide range of devices

https://divestos.org/pages/devices

[-] MigratingtoLemmy@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

I am dismayed at the current scenario of basically nothing but the pixels being supported for rooting (not the fault of the community). Also a bit saddened by how easily everyone has accepted it.

If I don't go the pixel route, I will probably purchase a cheap OnePlus mobile next year with at least kernel version 5.10. By next year, KernelSU should be more mature, and if you know about KernelSU, you know that passing SafetyNet is not a problem. I'd run microG in the work profile and put my apps there, and also debloat the pathetic excuse of ColourOS (or whatever Oppo uses). Fuckwads couldn't even keep the damn tool open to unbrick devices (which is why development stopped). By next year I just need to figure out how to install patches with a modded kernel.

Sorry that doesn't answer your question since you need a mobile now. I'm just quite annoyed at the state we are in. I really hope linux mobiles take off in the near future and I don't have to deal with such nonsense.

[-] azdle@news.idlestate.org 3 points 1 year ago

I am dismayed at the current scenario of basically nothing but the pixels being supported for rooting (not the fault of the community). Also a bit saddened by how easily everyone has accepted it.

Serious question, what the the community not accepting it look like?

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[-] caos@feddit.de 9 points 1 year ago

Here you can filter the search for Custom ROMs by release year. A few current models are already available: https://www.sustaphones.com/ beside Pixels i.e. Xiaomi, 2023, redwood X5 Pro 5G, Teracube 2e, 2022, emerald, Motorola g32, g42, g52, ...

[-] tubbadu@lemmy.kde.social 2 points 1 year ago

this is a very cool website, thanks for sharing!

[-] Onii-Chan@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Google Pixel with GrapheneOS. Nothing matches it.

[-] lefaucet@slrpnk.net 6 points 1 year ago

Fairphone is the bomb diggity

Buying a pixel isn't the end of the world, but it is still feeding the enshittification beast

[-] TwiddleTwaddle@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 1 year ago

A used pixel takes the brunt off of the moral compromise.

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[-] ExtremeDullard@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

If you have the money and you care about not buying or owning a Google product, and / or you care about repairability, get a FairPhone: you can install ~~GrapheneOS or~~ CalyxOS on them and they too support relocking the bootloader. It's not just Pixel phones.

Bonus: they have a SD card slot, unlike Pixel phones.

They're not the speediest or sleekest devices, but that's not where the interest lies with Fairphone cellphones: they're mostly designed for long life and easy maintenance, and they're made by a cool company I want to support personally. And they're not made by Google, so buying one won't support Google or the Pixel ecosystem in any way.

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[-] ExtremeDullard@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 1 year ago

Ah yes you're correct. I got confused.

[-] tubbadu@lemmy.kde.social 3 points 1 year ago

If you have the money

here's the problem XD I'm willing to pay around 350€, 400 at most, and the fairphone 4 starts from over 500€

[-] ExtremeDullard@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 1 year ago

Yeah they're not cheap 🙁 It's too bad because they're really decent cellphones. But they're twice the price of anything equivalent from any of the big manufacturers.

[-] runwaylights@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Murena (the company behind /e/ os) also sell smartphones with /e/ os installed. They've also partnered with Fairphone if you're looking for a more sustainable model. I bought the Fairphone with /e/ os a couple of months ago because I was looking for a phone with replaceable parts and it works well. They also sell some refurbished models I believe.

[-] ExtremeDullard@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 1 year ago

Murena is a weird company. I tried to purchase a cellphone directly from them a few months ago, and they have this weird system on their website that forces you to create a full-blown cloud account with them - complete with email, calendar, file transfer and all - before being able to order anything. And in fact, even after creating the account, I couldn't even figure out how to order with my brand-spanking new murena.io email.

After fiddling with this for a while, and mostly reflecting on the fact that this company that knows absolutely nothing about me just gave me an email address and a bunch of storage for free at the click of a button, I decided this was all a little too sketchy for my taste and gave up on the whole idea. That's not how I expect to place an order with a normal company: I expect to have a cart and do a secure pay, not go through this kind of account creating rigmarole.

So, I'm not saying Murena is a bad company. I'm saying be careful with them, because the purchasing process is highly unusual with them.

[-] runwaylights@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Interesting, I've gone through the process and whilst I do have an account to track the order I haven't been forced to do anything else. I also use the phone and the app lounge without logging in.

Edit: I just looked at it and I only have a shop account to track the order. No cloud service or email address

[-] lefaucet@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 year ago

I didnt have this experience at all. I think maybe I hit a skip button when they asked me to set up an account.

I got a Fairphone4 from them and it's been great!

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[-] lefaucet@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 year ago

I got a Fairphone 4 from them. Works great! Totally degoogled by default.

A while ago I got a Motorola cellphone on on the Lineage compatibility list. I installed LineageOS and that was a pain to set up, but I got it working well. A few months later there was a Lineage update that bricked the phone.

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[-] Genghis@monero.town 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I recommend you purchase a Google Pixel 6a or above (minimum security support ends July 2027) and flash GrapheneOS. (Pixel 8/pro preferred)

Aurora Store doesn't avoid Google since a lot of the apps from the play store include Google's SDK and libraries. microG also doesn't avoid Google as it is still running proprietary Google code and has more privacy/security weaknesses

Sandboxed Google Mobile Services is a much better implementation which is featured in GrapheneOS. The services are not privileged and is treated like any other app. They don't downgrade privacy or security unlike the other alternatives.

There are much more privacy and security benefits using GOS. Here is a 3rd party comparison between different mobile OS.

[-] Atemu@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

microG also doesn’t avoid Google as it is still running proprietary Google code

What proprietary code?

has more privacy/security weaknesses

Source?

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[-] Auster@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

Iirc, there are unofficial ports of LineageOS for newer devices. Also, I've been using another system, ArrowOS, in its vanilla form, on a Redmi Note 10 Pro phone I have, and it's working fine so far, so maybe an alternative for your case if you don't find a decent phone compatible with LineageOS?

[-] guyrocket@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

I'm in pretty much the same boat as OP.

I'm seeing that buying a Pixel and then degoogle-ing it with Graphene OS is the way to go. Before I pull the trigger on that, can anyone point me to a good guide on how and when to load Graphene OS? Do I load it after activation with a carrier? Ok to do this before carrier activation?

And what functionality do I have with Graphene OS? Only Fdroid as a store? Can I sideload apps?

I'd really like to hear from some people that have actually done this about what to do and what their experience is with grapheneos. I'm leery of spending hundreds of dollars on a phone that may or may not work as I want.

I am seriously considering doing this but I'll buy an iphone if I can't really understand the pixel/graphene path well enough before dropping the $$.

Any YT vids about someone doing this?

[-] jvrava9@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 year ago

https://grapheneos.org has a lot of info. Make sure to buy a phone with an unlocked bootloader. All carriers lock it so buy it used and make sure that its unlocked or buy it directly from Google. You can install all google apps through Aurora store, a Play Store fronrend. You can also install sandboxed Google Play services so your Play Store apps can run and have functionning notifications, as they usualy rely on Play services. Yes you can sideload apps like normal android. Its AOSP without the google stuff. Some videos/channels: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vh5xjsE4mU4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igSUmfKTXqU https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCrG6IID2FX7-GxyKtavRhEA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1KZWjZVnAw

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[-] myrmidex@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The stores I have on my GrapheneOS pixel 7a: F-Droid + droidify, Aurora store, and the Google Play store as well for some official apps I cannot do without. Between these, there isn't an app that I couldn't find or install.

I bought my pixel second hand, to not put more money in Google's pocket, and to avoid any carrier locking. Not sure how that will impact the installation, but it might. Best to investigate that matter.

I have to mention: I still cannot believe how easy that installation was. I rooted my previous phone and put lineageOS on it, which was such a tedious procedure back in the day, I really dreaded installing GrapheneOS. But that web interface, detecting everything and guiding me along was pure heaven. I hope that'll become the default for any custom installs.

[-] guyrocket@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

Interesting. Thanks for this info.

Google Play? So you degoogled and regoogled?

:)

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[-] MajorHavoc@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I'd really like to hear from some people that have actually done this about what to do and what their experience is with grapheneos. I'm leery of spending hundreds of dollars on a phone that may or may not work as I want.

I've done this, here's my takeaways:

On the install:

  • The install guide is long and detailed, and it felt important to take my time and do every step exactly as it says.
  • In spite of the length of the guide, I was done with my install in about 45 minutes. I spent about 30 of those minutes sipping coffee and reading on my Kindle while my phone applied updates automatically. -By the time the install finished, my feeling was "that was it? I feel like I clicked like 4 links and it did everything."

On owning it:

  • My $300 GrapheneOS Pixel 6 is substantially more responsive than my previous $1000 phone. I migrated to a 3 year old phone and if feels like a big upgrade.
  • My camera opens quickly, snaps pictures quickly, and is ready to snap another picture, quickly. This shouldn't be a big deal, but some of your with $1000 Android phones know what I'm talking about. I'll die on the "this should never have been hard in the first place" hill. But in the meantime, the responsive camera is the most important quality of life upgrade I got from GrapheneOS.
  • Installing apps from Aurora, with it's privacy insights, was very eye-opening for me. I mention this mainly for context on my next point.
  • App compatibility has not been an issue for me; but I quit using certain really invasive apps when I saw their tracking details in Aurora store. (Cough - Paramount Plus - cough)
  • I've heard bank apps can be a challenge, but mine works perfectly. I now love GrapheneOS enough that I am realizing I will move my money if that changes.
[-] Meuzzin@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I did a bit of searching, maybe used the wrong terms, but is there a list somewhere with Banking Apps compatible with Graphine or Lineage that you know of? It's literally the only thing holding me back...

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[-] shabi@lemmy.fenbushi.site 2 points 1 year ago

I'm a GrapheneOS user. You can use whichever store you like. Sideloading works too if you want to get stuff directly from GitHub, for example.

If you use esim, probably better to activate before flashing GrapheneOS. Otherwise, doesn't matter imo.

I'd suggest you take a look at the discussion forum. You can ask questions there or just browse and you can probably learn a lot about GrapheneOS there. Also the homepage has tons of info, of course.

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[-] tubbadu@lemmy.kde.social 3 points 1 year ago

Thanks to anyone for the great answers! I finally decided to buy a pixel 6 (or 6 pro if I find a good deal) and install a custom ROM on it! GrapheneOS will support it for "only" 3 more years, while other roms like lineageos or divestos will have longer support. What do you suggest? Graphene OS and when support ends switch to another one? O directly use the other one?

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[-] smeg@feddit.uk 3 points 1 year ago

Regarding your edit and GrapheneOS support - they will definitely support the pixel for as long as Google are providing official support, though they have then continued support in the form of security patches for much longer than that for older devices. No guarantees of exactly what will happen in the future but you're probably best of using GrapheneOS for now and then in three years time seeing what the state of things are. Things change quickly in technology, maybe you won't need to move anything, maybe you'll want a completely new phone by then!

[-] tubbadu@lemmy.kde.social 2 points 1 year ago

Great, I'll do this then! Thanks man

[-] smeg@feddit.uk 2 points 1 year ago

No worries, I'm by no means an expert but I've been using it for a couple of years and I'm happy to try and answer any questions!

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