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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by WhoRoger@lemmy.world to c/fediverse@lemmy.world

A ton of countries have a decently active Lemmy instance, including the English-speaking ones (UK, AUS, NZ, ZA).

The closest to a US one that I know of is midwest.social, which looks pretty lively from what I can tell.

Anyway, so lemmy.world is becoming quite populated with all kinds of US-specific stuff, like communities for sports teams, sometimes with generic names that could be used for other things ( !bears@lemmy.world ), states/cities like !texas@lemmy.world or even !politics@lemmy.world (while !uspolitics@lemmy.world also exists), with other instances also having duplicate comms.

I'm expecting Lemmy to have, at some point, and hopefully soon, an option to block entire instances so that we don't have to see posts especially that are country-specific. But I'll need to block all the baseball teams one by one if I want to browse all and try to find new things.

And I'm sure it would also be more convenient to have it all under one roof, just like everything about Germany is under feddit.de, and people from elsewhere can still visit if they like.

So, please someone make one? Or navigate people to the right one? Thank yooou

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[-] NotAPenguin@kbin.social 62 points 1 year ago

The US-defaultism that happens on the internet is very annoying

[-] Aux@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

Yeah, it's especially annoying when you live in a different English speaking country. I don't give a shit about your pounds in the chicken recipe.

[-] milicent_bystandr@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago

That's right! Put dollars in the chicken recipe!

Anyway that's my two cents.

[-] zeppo@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Let’s say 2/100 of your country’s primary monetary unit. No reason to be US centric.

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[-] Blazingflames6073@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

I immediately became a bit upset when I read this post and realized US defaultism was going to happen on lemmy too now. Very annoying thing.

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[-] UnicornKitty@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

The US! Oppressing everything else in the world since...the beginning!

[-] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Damn americans, they ruined america!

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[-] KeisukeTakatou@lemmy.world 57 points 1 year ago

I mean pretty much every website is US focused unless stated otherwise.

[-] WhoRoger@lemmy.world 36 points 1 year ago

And the argument always was that Reddit/Facebook/Twitter/whatever are American.

Well, Lemmy is not. So there's no reason for it to be americanised by default.

(Unless we'll hear the argument that the internet is American :p)

[-] Stovetop@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I don't think hosting was ever the argument. It was always just that the vast majority of users were American.

Any site defaulting to English is going to attract users who predominantly speak English as their primary language, and then people who speak English as a sort of lingua franca are going to be a smaller part of that. Among native English speakers, Americans make up the majority, so that's the prevailing default you are likely to see.

Even if Lemmy.world is hosted in Europe, I'd hazard that the largest user demographic is still Americans.

[-] time_example@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago

Actually (!) the majority of Reddit users are not American. Although Americans make up the largest single group, they’re in the minority overall.

[-] WhoRoger@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

attract users who predominantly speak English as their primary language

I never understood this argument. Why do you think it's important whether English is your primary language or not?

People in developed countries often speak English pretty much perfectly (and know the difference between their and they're).

If you're going to a web site with a mixed audience, you're gonna use English, and if you're going to a local one, you use your local language. No big deal?

Native English speakers have the advantage of not needing a different language to speak to their locals, but that's all.

If somehow everyone agreed that Esperanto will be the default internet language, you wouldn't expect the majority to be native Esperanto users.

[-] Stovetop@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

I mean, I think I addressed that in my post. When the discourse is defaulted to English, you end up with users who are either native English speakers and people using English as a lingua franca.

In the Anglosphere, Americans make up the largest single chunk, and they accordingly see no need to "enclave" the way other groups may because being the biggest means their standpoint is effectively the default one.

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[-] Karlos_Cantana@sopuli.xyz 6 points 1 year ago

Well, Al Gore said he invented it, so...

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[-] tegs_terry@feddit.uk 27 points 1 year ago
[-] zaph@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

If they were wrong people wouldn't be complaining about US defaultism.

[-] Knoll0114@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago

Yeah I assume the reason there isn't is because the general ones are US-centric by default and then everyone else has to have somewhere specific to go. But I guess if they want their own dedicated place too why not?

[-] tkc@feddit.uk 14 points 1 year ago

Isn't that the problem being stated in the OP haha.

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[-] Propane@lemmy.sdf.org 33 points 1 year ago

Of course the Germans have have everything all organized.

[-] DmMacniel@feddit.de 14 points 1 year ago

Ja natürlich :)

[-] n8schicht@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Na klar! 😁

[-] BilboBargains@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

That's what we love about them. And the accent when they speak English. And their cars. Not forgetting their tools. Beer.

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[-] gelberhut@feddit.de 15 points 1 year ago

There is no rule that everything about Germany is hosted on feddit.de and everything what is hosted on feddit.de is about Germany. I have a english language GalaxyWatch community located on feddit.de.

TBH, I do not know what is the best way to handle these. As far as I understand, the idea of fediverse is that instance as such must not be important. And there are many instances which have no "self-vision" or it is based on other logic than geography.

[-] woelkchen@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

I have a english language GalaxyWatch community located on feddit.de.

Literally the first sentence in their sidebar says "Deutschsprachige Lemmy Community" (= German-language Lemmy Community). So you're right that feddit.de is not about Germany but German is spoken in several European countries, so you do disrespect the intend of feddit.de by hosting an English community there.

[-] Tywele@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

They also write in their rules that it's okay to create English speaking communities. So no harm done.

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[-] jono@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Lemmy.ca exists for Canada too. There are dozens of us. Dozens!

[-] WhoRoger@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

That must be the most polite server on Lemmy.

[-] LoafyLemon@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago
[-] TheRealBob@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

I mean you can just have your feed show only the stuff you’re subscribed to…

[-] Andreas@feddit.dk 10 points 1 year ago

And I'm sure it would also be more convenient to have it all under one roof, just like everything about Germany is under feddit.de, and people from elsewhere can still visit if they like.

I'm trying to advertise my country's instance, feddit.nu (Sweden). feddit.de got a headstart with Germans by having been created before the Reddit migration and providing the first federated community discovery tool.

Instances that were created after the migration started on the other hand? It's frustrating with Redditor behavior, because they expect the Lemmy community to share the same name as the Reddit community (/r/Sweden) and only subscribe to communities that use the same name.

If you don't want your lemmy.world feed to be flooded with languages you can't understand, please make sure to annoy their users about it as much as possible, in English, that they should move to the country-specific instances instead of centralizing on lemmy.world. It's healthier for the Fediverse in general with everyone on many instances, in the long run.

[-] kplaceholder@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

If you don't want your lemmy.world feed to be flooded with languages you can't understand

Mastodon has a feature where you can set which language a post is in, and a setting in your account where you can select which languages you want to see. Is this not viable for Lemmy?

Edit: Nevermind, I just found out this feature is in Lemmy as well 😅

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[-] WhoRoger@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

New instances have it super hard in general. This is an issue the Lemmy system needs to resolve somehow.

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[-] Die4Ever@programming.dev 10 points 1 year ago

well now someone needs to make the most obnoxiously American patriotic instance possible, as a meme

[-] SQL_InjectMe@partizle.com 11 points 1 year ago

Can we afford to buy freedom.us?

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[-] LexiconDexicon@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago
[-] Andreas@feddit.dk 12 points 1 year ago

It's Estonian (.ee is the country code for Estonia) but it's also a cool domain hack and the owner opened it to everyone.

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[-] WhoRoger@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

If it is, they aren't doing much to advertise it or to attract those kinds of communities.

[-] kabe@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Nah, lemm.ee is hosted in the EU.

[-] trafficnab@kbin.social 10 points 1 year ago

The .ee must stand for European Eunion

[-] Deceptichum@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago

Well it’s certainly not for Emerican Empire.

[-] Derproid@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago

Well beehaw.org is hosted in NYC.

[-] steal_your_face@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I thought beehaw.org is US based.

[-] Iron_Lynx@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Given the prevalence of US defaultism, I don't mind the lack of a US-specific one. Plus, unless an instance, or even community, is regionally specific, chances are Americans are going to assume it to be American. Even if that subreddit specifically claims to be worldwide, it may still be dominated in excess by Americans, like the politics @ lemmy.ml community.

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[-] Dragonmind@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

It might be because most of us Americans lick the boots of corporations for free or get in line to.

[-] yoshisaur@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago

Don’t forget about subscription services for everything!

[-] DmMacniel@feddit.de 5 points 1 year ago

I like my life for rent!

[-] ErwinLottemann@feddit.de 3 points 1 year ago

lemmy.world is not the US instance? 😱 🦅🦅🦅

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