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Ye Power Trippin' Bastards
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Sorry, what did you say? Can you tell me about what type of punishment I should receive?
Because talking with people who don't agree with you is a valuable thing to do.
If I'm wrong, and you take some time to talk with me, maybe I'll absorb what you are saying, and take it on as a good idea. Probably not the first time, but it does happen over time. It's good to be able to talk with other humans. If as soon as I'm wrong, you ban me, then I'll never have that opportunity, and I'll just go on being wrong and getting banned from places, indefinitely.
If you're wrong, or what you're saying is applicable sometimes but it's not a good idea in some other situations, letting me say what I've got to say might show you a new perspective. Or, even if you're completely set in your way, it's still valuable for the people watching the conversation to be able to see both sides expressed, and decide for themselves.
I think it's universally agreed that the places on Reddit and Lemmy that aggressively remove "the wrong viewpoint" are laughingstocks. A lot of the time, they're doing that because they don't have a good answer for questions people are asking or points they're making. You've chosen to make !anarchism@slrpnk.net into one of them, in this one particular instance. Well done.
You've asked over and over why I am supporting genocide. I explained over and over that what I'm saying is an attempt to prevent genocide, and calmly explained how. That pattern eventually starts to sink in, for people watching the conversation, even if it never does for you, and impacts what they take away from the conversation. I think it would be better for you to reassess your way of approaching conversation with people who don't agree with you, but you do you.
See how good this is? We don't agree on things, and we're talking to each other. It's normal, it's healthy. Like I said, if you're insistent on making "your" community into one where that can't happen, that's on you, but I think it's a bad idea.
Anarchism doesn't mean free speech for anti-anarchists. Simple as. We welcome debate and dissent in our ranks, but don't lay down welcome mats for those who hate us and our program. Please tell me why you should feel entitled to soapbox in our space when literally almost every other Lemmy is devoted to the Harris cause? Soapbox somewhere else. I was just taking out the trash.
I am curious, still. What punishment should I have received beyond the slap on the wrist?
Power tripping modsism doesn't mean free speech for power tripping mods. We welcome debate and dissent in our ranks, but don't lay down welcome mats for those- You know what? My heart's just not in it. I just don't care.
I never defended Kamala Harris, I just agreed with Greta Thunberg that Trump is so bad that it's an emergency. You were the one that brought the election and talking about the Democrats into an anarchist space, and then threw a fit when someone continued the conversation you started about the election, and quoted your Greta Thunberg post back at you. I clearly don't hate anarchists, I read some of them after talking to people in this non-censored thread, and I had some thoughts but overall I think it's gold. A good way of enabling an anarchist lifestyle sounds really good to me.
You are the one soapboxing in the anarchist space about the election. You are the one who's been talking nonstop about Kamala Harris and the election for highly suspicious reasons.
I think I've said as much on this now as I want to say. I think all you've done by coming and doubling down so hard is to convince people a little more firmly of what the consensus already was before you stopped by.
Why are you so entitled to soapbox your anti-anarchism, liberalism, electoralism, and ideological cover for genocide in our space when you can shit the floor in literally almost every other Lemmy? Go to those other communities; they'll welcome you. No, you're not entitled to it. Go pound sand.
Hey, what punishment do you think I should have received instead of the slap on the wrist?
Did you ask Kropotkin about it? I feel like he might have had some kind of punishment schedule laid out for what to do when people do things that might harm the movement, but you seem better-educated on all this than I am, so you would know better. Tell me.
This thread is something
I can't stop. It's like a loose tooth. I'm sorry for what I've done, but I'm in too deep now.
Do you have any experience organizing? Because in my experience, booting out liberals from shitting in our physical spaces is a justified thing to do. Why not digital? Are they silenced? They still have literally almost every other Lemmy to spout their electoralist evilism. They are not censored or silenced from the public, just removed from anarchist spaces.
In my experience, organizing anything along with the type of person who starts accusing people of "evilism" and insists on removing them from the group, when they say something like "your plan might kill a lot of people, so I want to do this other plan instead," is a ballache and a half and often doesn't succeed.
I'm still waiting to hear what punishment you think I should have received instead of the slap on the wrist. I tried to quit the conversation, but you got me hooked back in again.
What's my plan? To remind people what they're voting for? To remind people voting isn't enough? That plan? You're the one who has been belittling me in the past several days over basic principled positions on opposition to genocide. You willfully and freely provide ideological cover for Harris. You simply are not entitled to do that in anarchist spaces. That's literally all there is.
Your plan is to encourage people not to vote for Democrats. If Trump gets elected, that plan will kill a whole lot of people. You posted a quote by Greta Thunberg that touched on it briefly, you might remember.
You also had something to say about Jill Stein, a long long time ago, which isn't real compatible with your current "electoralism is banworthy" stance. You also seem to care a ton about the election and about Kamala Harris, for a anti-electoralist who's not from the US. Mostly I think you are trying to elect Trump, and the whole thing about anarchism is a facade. That's why I am not nice to you.
I don't even know who Jill Stein is, asshole. Now you're just making shit up.
And if that's my plan, then obviously it's a pointless and doomed endeavor. I know people won't listen to me. I know I can't influence the American election as a non-American in not-America. Yet anarchists must say what only anarchists can say. And that is why I speak out against genocide.
You posted this two days ago:
https://slrpnk.net/post/14792128
So, you didn't understand the context of the joke at all, but just posted it anyway because it had the words "Harris" and "Cheney" in it? Or what happened that made you decide to post that, not knowing who Jill Stein is?
@AccountMaker@slrpnk.net and @MapleEngineer@lemmy.world FYI
Oh wow. I actually thought about bringing this up somewhere, but it was late and I went to sleep, I didn't know that there was already a post. On one hand I'm glad this got out, on the other hand it saddens me that this likely did a lot of damage to both the community and the view of anarchists in general, since it takes just one person like this to overshadow 10 anarchists willing to have conversations in good faith. But we are where we are now, what's left is to see how we move forward. Thanks for the mention
What?
This thread might interest you, as you were complaining about the propaganda in one of your comments who got linked above
Y'all are barking up the wrong tree. Might I remind you this is the most winnable election in history. Harris sabotaged her own campaign because of her own bloodlust. She promised “the most lethal military.” Go get mad at her if you need someone to get mad at. I frankly don't care for these third party losers, half of them tankies, the other half TERFs. They won't make Harris lose. Harris herself digs her own grave and yours. She could win this by just opposing Israel, but she won't, and you're angry at me? Yet you're angry at people with principles? I will not blame people for not voting for more Palestinian death.
What a calm and reasonable explanation for why you said you have no idea who Jill Stein is and posted a Jill Stein meme a couple days ago.
And I’m not angry at you for “principles.” I was annoyed that you banned me because I was speaking against turbo-genocide, and now I’m intrigued that you might have fucked up your ruse and might actually be the glowie that I started suspecting you of being, starting today.
Whether or not they are a state actor, they are absolutely a bad faith actor and I doubt that they have any real closely held beliefs about anarchism. They've been at this shit for a while.
I don't care about this Jill person, but I won't hold it against people for not choosing more Palestinian death. You know, you don't need to conduct ideological cover for genocide. You can just vote and not be an apologist. You continue to make the choice to lie about Harris' program. Will you gladly and willfully walk over thousands of Palestinian corpses to cast your vote for the one who is killing them? Yes, you will. And you'll provide ideological cover too.
I really don't want to continue this. Ironically enough, it's badly offtopic for this community. You felt incredibly strongly about needing to defend your space against people coming in and broadsiding their political opinions into it, and now you're doing the same, in a lot more obnoxious fashion.
Knowing people like you exist? No.
I didn't want to end up in jail or worse because things started turning out a little bad.
Also irony.
"I'm an anarchist, but I 'remove not silence' the voices of those I don't like"
Also, what? Aren't you an anarchist who's opposed to the tanks? Anarchists won't tolerant tankies right? Why should we tolerant liberal tanks, the liberal equivalent of tankies? And as god is my witness, they do indeed have tanks.
Lol.
Quit assuming shit. You're already losing, take the L
So you have no experience with dealing with real shit then. Stay in your little bubble then.
"I have more experience than you so I'm right and you're wrong. I will now dismissed you and your inconvenient opinion."
Oh cute, the Judas of anarchists wants to downvote because I'm calling them out.
Remember friends and fellow lone wolf anarchists, this person is an example of why working together can get you sold out and on death row. The summer anarchist will sell you out to save their own skin.
There's no such thing as "lone wolf anarchists" anymore than there's "anarcho"-capitalists. Anarchism is at it's core a socialist movement. And there's no "social" without other humans.
Guess I'm living proof otherwise then but I'm glad we can have these disagreements
they are still free to speak, but that community is no longer going to give them a platform