Update from Lemmy after the Reddit blackout (join-lemmy.org)

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[-] spirit@beehaw.org 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Update 3: @dessalines@lemmy.ml did state that they (singular) disagree that a genocide is taking place.

Update 2: My conclusion

@dessalines@lemmy.ml, one of the developer of Lemmy, is a "tankie" who refuted the Uyghurs genocide.
@dessalines@lemmy.ml is also an admin of and funds the website Lemmygrad.ml.

Update: So I dug around a little deeper, and found that

@dessalines@lemmy.ml is /u/parentis_shotgun on Reddit. Source: https://archive.is/Ky9vd
/u/parentis_shotgun moderates some subreddits, including r/InformedTankie, r/asktankies, r/GunZedong. Source: https://www.reddit.com/user/parentis_shotgun
/u/parentis_shotgun got banned from r/socialism for "refuting the 'China is genociding Uyghurs'". Source: https://archive.is/CwFZC
/u/parentis_shotgun then launched lemmy. Source: https://archive.is/132fW
@muad_dibber@lemmygrad.ml, one of the admin of lemmygrad.ml, referred to themself as @dssalines@lemmygrad.ml in a post on lemmygrad. They also claimed that they built Lemmy. It seems like @dssalines@lemmygrad.ml changed their username. Source: https://archive.is/LlzKb
At this point, I am convinced that the admin @muad_dibber@lemmygrad.ml is @dessalines@lemmy.ml.
Another admin over lemmygrad.ml said that Lemmygrad is paid by @muad_dibber@lemmygrad.ml, while another mod said that @muad_dibber@lemmygrad.ml is funded by the NED. Source: https://archive.is/G5Dh7
What is the NED? I have no idea, but Google suggests that could be The National Endowment for Democracy (NED), an independent, nonprofit foundation dedicated to the growth and strengthening of democratic institutions around the world.
Lemmy was also funded by NLnet with financial support from the European Commission’s Next Generation Internet programme. Source: https://nlnet.nl/project/Lemmy/

On another topic, there are rumors circulating that we are fascists or supported genocide. These claims are completely false, and like most viral twitter threads, are coming from a single Mastodon user on a personal vendetta who didn’t provide any sources. Such slander doesn’t deserve any response and is best left ignored.

Previous discussion on the moderation policy on lemmy.ml including response from @dessalines@lemmy.ml : Expressing concerns about moderation policy on lemmy.ml
Accusation of a Mastodon user (probably the one they are referring to): https://mstdn.social/@feditips/106835057054633379
Essays from @dessalines@lemmy.ml: https://github.com/dessalines/essays/blob/master/socialism_faq.md

Update: More info about @dessalines@lemmy.ml

[-] gk99@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago

See, it's all this stuff that really makes the

Such slander doesn’t deserve any response

statement feel very Steve Huffman to me. It very clearly does deserve a response because the problem doesn't end with just saying "nope lol that's not us" and people like me have to go digging through all this bullshit just to figure out the facts: they believe anti-China news and similar is U.S./media propaganda and will moderate opposing viewpoints with "Orientalism" bans and similar. That's not a hard statement to type, and if this viewpoint is in good faith then I struggle to see why they refuse to just say that and consistently resort to "if you don't like our moderation policy feel free to join/start a different instance!" without ever actually clarifying the moderation policy. Even lemmygrad pretty much says outright "if you like capitalism, fuck off."

[-] ram@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago

I mean, dude's not CEO, he doesn't control the instances. He does own a very large instance, but I don't think it's even the most dominant instance post-redditting.

I disagree with his views, though I will admit to some sympathy on some aspects (not the genocide stuff), but ultimately, he's just a dude who makes this software. He doesn't own it, he doesn't have a monopoly on its control, and really, the entirety of the Fediverse could, if he went full Huff, say "fuck you" and defederate his instance. That's the power of a distributed service. Heck, your own instance, kbin.social, could lemmy.ml at any time and it'd have little impact overall.

Even were I to concede to him being "Huffman-like" (which I do not agree with), I don't think he's actually relevant enough in the real-world usage of the software to care about as far as that goes.

[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago

Having gotten involved a bit over the last week, I think he's generally a good guy. I disagree with his politics, but none of that has anything to do with software development. He writes good code, and when he's not overwhelmed with nonsense, he's quite helpful.

There's another major dev, but I don't know anything about him. I think they just want to build a cool tool that they can use to provide a safe space for discussion, and they want to make that available to others as well. That's pretty cool, and that's something I can support.

[-] ram@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago

Ya, I don't have any personal interactions with him and am withholding real judgement without. Even his politics, it's hard for me to really condemn him when I don't even know the lens he's viewing things through. End of the day, I'm taking a best guess based on a few (3?) instances where he's ever been recorded saying something that's shit.

But also, even the worst tankie's better than the best right winger, any day.

[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago

Eh, I consider myself to be the opposite of both politically, but I have no problem contributing to FOSS projects lead by either. But I agree in general, I've had better luck with socialists than fascists when it comes to FOSS.

[-] GarbageShootAlt2@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Slightly contra- the other user that responded to you, I need to ask: You've spoken with rightwingers before, right? Most westerners have had the "privilege" at least a few times to allow such people to speak for themselves. Have you ever had an even slightly comparable interaction with a "tankie" where they also got to speak for themselves, rather than be told about what they believe third-hand?

[-] Krause@lemmygrad.ml -1 points 1 year ago

makes the statement feel very Steve Huffman to me

Then you didn't read it, they link a page that clears up their position on it right below that sentence: https://join-lemmy.org/docs/en/users/07-history-of-lemmy.html

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