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With all the dismal news about America lately, my home, I'm starting to seriously look at where else to move.

Putting aside for now the difficulty of actually immigrating to some countries, I'm curious on the opinions of others (especially people living outside the U.S) on this.

What I'm looking for in a country is, I imagine, similar to many people. I'm trying to find somewhere that will exhibit:

  • Low racism
  • Low sexism
  • Low LGBTQ-phobia
  • Strong laws around food quality and safety
  • Strong laws about environmental protection
  • Strong laws against unethical corporate practices (monopoly, corruption, lobbying, etc)
  • Strong laws for privacy
  • Good treatment of mentally ill, homeless, and impoverished people

Those are the real important things. Of course the nice-to-haves are almost too obvious to be worth listing, low cost of living, strong art and cultural scene, nice environment, and so on.

My actual constraints that might really matter are that I only speak English (and maybe like A1-2 level German). It seems incredibly intimidating to try to find employment somewhere when I can hardly speak the language.

I know nowhere on Earth is perfect, just curious what people may have to suggest. I hope this question isn't too selfish to ask here.

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[-] Microw@lemm.ee 2 points 4 days ago

Portugal, but they hate expats at this point because they got overrun by them in the last couple of years

[-] VirusMaster3073@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

I wish I can even afford to move out of the country in the first place

[-] jsomae@lemmy.ml 51 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

ITT: A lot of people doing the typical StackOverflow thing of asserting the question is bad and answering a different question instead.

No country's that great but Canada's doing aight.

[-] mfed1122@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 1 week ago

Thanks for understanding, I do feel a bit hurt by some insinuations in some responses, but I understand why citizens of the world would feel unhappy with whiny Americans right now. I just hope it doesn't progress into a hatred. Many of my fellow Americans are very good people, but unfortunately we are so disenfranchised politically - I think it's hard to convey the extent of it. The state of things here isn't a result of laziness and unwillingness to participate. But in fairness, I didn't refine my original post deeply and it came off not quite right. I'm not looking to selfishly abandon ship or become a silent drain on another country. I would love to build community, but it's certainly easier in some places than others, for a wide variety of reasons.

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[-] benni@lemmy.world 35 points 1 week ago

I think this is a very valid question. Sometimes the grass really is greener on the other side.

I like it here in Germany. Laws and social safety are relatively strong. Oftentimes I see an article about some chemical common in food being a cancer risk, and then I research it and see that it is a US-centered article and that the EU already banned the chemical years ago.

Right wing populism is strongly on the rise here though. Racism and LGBTQ-phobia will strongly depend, with smaller villages and regions in East Germany being worse on average.

If you're a top earner, you most likely won't get the crazy high salaries here that you might expect from the US (even if accounted for cost of living, childcare etc).

Bureaucracy is annoying.

Rent can be very high depending on the region.

Job market strongly favors German speakers. I heard the Netherlands are more open in that regard. I think this will be your biggest hurdle.

[-] benni@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

Just noticed I used "strongly" three times in the post. Gonna need to find new adverbs.

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[-] funkajunk@lemm.ee 26 points 1 week ago

Come to Canada, the weed is legal

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[-] frank@sopuli.xyz 26 points 1 week ago

US ex pat here:

I think you will find more success in this if you find a place or two you want to live in and run TO something instead of AWAY from something. It'll always be a bit of both, but this post reads more like (very understandably) "get me out of here" than "I want to be somewhere new".

Being an ex pat has plenty of hard aspects of course. I think some of them are made quite a bit easier when you passionately dive into the culture and life in a new place. At least to me it would be impossible if my head was still in the US.

Of course you're doing nothing wrong! Just some advice if it gets a bit more serious.

Like many in the thread: Canada, Australia/New Zealand, Scandinavia, Germany, UK (not that they're doing fantastic right now), Netherlands would be my top choices with your criteria. Most large companies will be more likely to have English speaking as the working language and you'll learn the local language (s) while living there. Best of luck!

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[-] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 25 points 1 week ago
  • Strong laws against unethical corporate practices (monopoly, corruption, lobbying, etc)
  • Good treatment of mentally ill, homeless, and impoverished people

These exist almost nowhere in the world

[-] borokov@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

Well, in France you have 4 free consultation to psy therapy per year, and government recently stop a project of drilling oil in Acquitaine because it was in a natural preservation area.

Far from being perfect but its something.

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[-] kwedd@feddit.nl 19 points 1 week ago

The Netherlands, Germany and Scandinavia have all those things and people tend to speak English really well.

[-] space_of_eights@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 week ago

As for the 'No racism' part, skip the Netherlands. One of the current governing parties is openly racist and can even be considered fascist. Also, we have a huge housing crisis, so finding a place to live may be challenging.

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[-] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago

I wouldn't rely on Germany to remain stable and democratic these days. The fascists are the strongest party and the new chancellor is an oligarchy stooge of the worst kind.

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[-] edel@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

After been in 5 continents in 30+ countries and living in 6... the best for your requirements is Spain. Spain, even the opposing parties are unlikely to touch most of those protections since it has wide support among the population. Now, Spain is not panacea, it still has stigma against Gypsies, older people face job discrimination, etc.

Regarding privacy is OK, more due to inaction than protection but far better than most neighbors in the north.

On corruption... the 'perception' is that there is plenty but no more than I witnessed in countries like Germany, UK or USA... the difference is that corruption in Spain is highly exposed by rival parties/media while in the other countries it is no so sensationalized, that is why of the increase 'perception'. By the way, Scandinavia, that I used to admire, above local governments, I don´t see it much better on corruption levels, specially since late 2000s.

Regarding foreigners, Spain has many offers in certain jobs, where English is a requirement, but not easy at all for more common jobs where the local language is what is mostly used, even if you dominate it well. Now, you will be surprised how many companies are moving jobs to Spain since it is easier to attract talent to Barcelona or Malaga than to Berlin or Grenoble... and they save in salaries.

Now, if you put less emphasis in sexism and LGBTQ, certain countries in Latin America like Mexico or Uruguay, or across the ocean others like Malaysia may be more appealing, it is not that they are expressively against those groups, it is just they demand a more quiet sexual expression from you.

Lastly, countries like Australia, New Zealand and the like have become so corrupt at high level and against privacy and freedom of expression in certain topics, should be disregarded if you emphasis on that. Ireland, is the only exception in the Anglo world, now, like Switzerland and Norway, they are floating in money o every one is okay while economies are good... the test comes, as always, come in challenging times. Till, then, consider those three too.

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[-] PostiveNoise@kbin.melroy.org 16 points 1 week ago

Spain is kind of nice, based on your list. I've been considering it.

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[-] jenesaisquoi@feddit.org 12 points 1 week ago

That's most European countries. Pick one, learn its language and immigration laws, and off you go

[-] SorteKanin@feddit.dk 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Denmark seems to fit fairly well and there are some plenty of English-only jobs in Copenhagen. I have a lot of colleagues that don't speak Danish.

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[-] MotorCade93@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 week ago

You should instead put energy into your environment and community to make positive changes in your area.

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[-] absGeekNZ@lemmy.nz 9 points 1 week ago

Reading the list, NZ does pretty well... Right to the end...

  • good treatment of mentally ill, homeless and impoverished people......
    We don't do that here
[-] UCIL19841202@lemmy.ca 1 points 8 minutes ago

I heard people say Australia and New Zealand outright bans the physically and mentally disabled from obtaining citizenship. How true is that?

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