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[-] ripcord@kbin.social 144 points 2 years ago

Once again, I'll believe it when I see it.

I've long since lost any hope of real consequences.

[-] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 28 points 2 years ago

This has really brought to light just how broken our legal system is. It's not even remotely just Trump, it's virtually everyone with money and/or power.

Elon Musk straight up directly helped protect the offensive military assets of an enemy nation during their ongoing, unprovoked invasion of a country ours is fully invested in protecting, and nothing happened.

[-] agent_flounder@lemmy.one 13 points 2 years ago

Fun fact: It's not just the legal system. It's kind of fucking everything. Corruption is everywhere. It's progressively gotten worse over the decades while not enough people cared to do anything about it. Now we have campaign finance shenanigans, lobbying tomfoolery, citizens united ruling, regulatory capture all over, the first trillion dollar company and numerous other oligopolies. Here in the good ol' US of A, it's Dollar Über Alles.

[-] Serinus@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

It's not everywhere. You don't have to bribe/tip your doctor or your police.

But yes, in higher levels there's a lot. I'd still say less than half of Congress is explicitly compromised.

We're far from the bottom, but also far from where we should be. This police problem should be first on the list.

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[-] ripcord@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

not enough people cared to do anything about it

And still don't

[-] grue@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Elon Musk straight up directly helped protect the offensive military assets of an enemy nation during their ongoing, unprovoked invasion of a country ours is fully invested in protecting, and nothing happened.

I think the problem there might be that we don't actually have a law prohibiting that yet (probably because until recently, it wasn't possible for one guy to have the power to do that sort of thing in the first place). We apparently need one, but we can't do anything about the Musk incident because of the whole "ex post facto" thing.

[-] SatanicNotMessianic@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago

I’m assuming that because his network is carrying what the US would consider classified information, he (and his involved employees) have clearances and have signed those great NDAs that will send you to prison for violating them.

I’d be interested to see an infosec audit of the top offices.

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[-] Ketchup@reddthat.com 28 points 2 years ago

Yes. Furthermore it seems if you’ve ever held office, been a director, worn a uniform or robe your invincible. Unless you did the right thing. I’m sure you get punished for having integrity.

[-] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago

You can thank a single, unnamed, person in 1874 for that. Congress passed section 1983 of the Federal Code in 1871. They included a 16 word clause that the person entrusted to copy the Congressional Record into the Federal Register illegally omitted. This clause became the focal point of Harlow V Fitzgerald in 1982. Because the 1982 SCOTUS didn't bother checking the Congressional Record, because why would they, the entire argument that allowed Qualified Immunity revolves around the missing clause. Had they had they original text, they wouldn't have ruled the way they did.

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[-] TechyDad@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago

The consequences haven't been fully enforced yet, but I'm cautiously optimistic about this one. He's already been found guilty of fraud and there's already an order from the judge to dissolve Trump Org and all presence in NY - hotels, golf courses, businesses, etc. The rest of the trial is just "how much of an additional fine does Trump need to pay?"

Of course, there will be appeals and it's possible the verdict gets overturned. Still, it's a promising direction.

So like, if I was a defendant in a civil case, and if I tried a fraction of the bullshit he’s pulled in the context of this particular trial alone, I’d be thrown in jail for contempt of court faster than you can say “hamberder”.

I am waiting for the judge to throw the book at him, but I’m honestly not expecting it.

[-] ohlaph@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago
[-] rthmchgs@lemmynsfw.com 13 points 2 years ago

Perhaps they meant covfefe.

[-] ohlaph@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago
[-] kersploosh@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 years ago

~~You can't just say perchance.~~

Fuck it, Lemmy is a fresh start. Let's roll with it.

[-] ohlaph@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

Thank you for understanding.

[-] Justas@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago

"We have to look at the oranges!"

[-] null@slrpnk.net 53 points 2 years ago

"fold like a stack of cards" 🤔

[-] Its_Always_420@lemmy.world 96 points 2 years ago

If we hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes should fall like a house of cards.

Checkmate

[-] rbhfd@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

I.e., collapse in the most satisfying way possible?

[-] generic@iusearchlinux.fyi 7 points 2 years ago

"If we hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes should fall like a house of cards. Checkmate." -Zapp Brannigan

[-] RealFknNito@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

Imagine having a deck of cards. Now try to fold them. Slow and difficult right?

That's the analogy.

[-] Flatworm7591@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 2 years ago

Stack of cards ^^

Deck of cards ^^

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[-] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 34 points 2 years ago

Can a stack of cards get so tall that the bit at the top escapes Earth's gravity?

Or does it just take like... most of a decade to fall?

[-] Toto@lemmy.world 27 points 2 years ago

The left needs to stop believing that THIS TIME the MAGA followers will see the fraud. It will never happen. There is no house of flares related to his reputation. There is him (the victim truth teller) and the angry left who break laws to bring him down.

[-] meco03211@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago

Their handlers could tell them the sky is green and grass is blue and the next day there'd be dozens of blossoming new conspiracy theories about "big Crayola" and the leftist elites' woke control over colors and child molestation/adrenal harvesting.

[-] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 11 points 2 years ago

Kid Rock will paint his lawn blue to own the libs

[-] paper_clip@kbin.social 8 points 2 years ago

“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”

[-] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

Maybe 1984 was an instruction manual.

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[-] randon31415@lemmy.world 33 points 2 years ago

The rich never get convicted.

That is why the civil trial to take away his riches is going first before all his criminal trials.

[-] mrcleanup@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago

The children's book "the emperor's new clothes" is so unrealistic who would ever buy into that kind of delusional thinking?

Meanwhile all the people that have been suckered by this guy despite all the evidence that he is just a con man...

[-] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago

That book was banned due to nudity.

[-] wolf6152@lemm.ee 9 points 2 years ago
[-] theluckyone@lemmy.world 21 points 2 years ago

As opposed to the current prosecutor. If the current prosecutor commented publicly in such a manner, it would be highly unprofessional. Rather like Trump publicly bashing the judge presiding over his trial...

[-] Crackhappy@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

Exactly, which makes the comments perfectly apropos.

[-] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 8 points 2 years ago

Salon is the liberal version of Brietbart; never trust any analysis that they have.

[-] mintiefresh@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 years ago

Eh ... We'll see.

[-] Rapidcreek@reddthat.com 6 points 2 years ago

Feels like what they told Reagon in the first CIA briefing...,"The Soviet Union will fall like a deck of cards, because it is a deck of cards."

[-] TechyDad@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

Granted, it did fall. All it took was for the US and USSR to race each other towards bankruptcy and for the USSR to win.

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[-] Ertebolle@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago
[-] EtherWhack@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago
[-] moog@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago

a TAN SUIT ???

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